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[PAGE 1] I I II Ai I tu IP CX Tl ro en en -!KETT STRfR en A 33 i BUREAU USE CARE IN i TRO IA CJ'IJ 1918 BY pR Cl fl I I I CA CS AR a I fC CA ex c.o Tra nsfer- a 421 [PAGE 2] STANDARD FORM NO 114 Office Memo dum uN rT En TO FROM SUBJECT DATE Sept;Elllber 1947 Director FBI A.IRMA.IL SAC San Fran is co SPECIAL DELIVfflY REPORT oa YING DISCS EncJ.oeed is a copy of a letter dated August 25 1947 with attachment frcm Lt Col DONALD SPRINGER of Hamilton Field California Even thoug)l Col SPRINGER feels that Mr JOHN SO may ave read some of his claims in a newspaper Col SPRINGER believes that Mr JOHNSON should be interviewed in this matter In accordance with Bureau Bulletin No 42 dated July 30 1947 Portl.and is re uested to exhaustively interview Mr JOHNSON 106 N.W First Ave Part.land Oregon regarding hiB alleged sighting of a flying disc on June 24 1947 Copies or the result of this interview should be furnished the San Francisco Field Office tor distribution to the 6th Army Intellig«ica rmK:MR Ehcls 62-2938 cc Portland F.hcls AMSD [PAGE 3] NFIDZI~TiAL i Authorit NNO 90986 EEAJr.LUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE Office tho Assi:;tan't Chief of Sta.i'f ntelli£er..ce Ilamilton Field California 4AFDA 26 Aucust 1947 SUl3.JECT Flyini Di so TO Special Agent in Char~e FBI Depart.ment of Juitioe Federal Office Building Room 422 San Francisco Calif The attached true copy of a letter from Johnson wae reoeived by thie officer 22 A~guat 1947 Your attention is invited to the similarity between Arnold early report and this ent leman'a report A possibility exists that Mr Johnson might have read aome or this the newspapers when Arnold was publ1cizod re this ma~tor Thia headquarters doos not intend to investigate his incident It is re quested that a roeult or nny in~erview you may make be furnished this eadquarters DONALD SPRIJIGER lnolt dup Lt Colonel GSC Ltr fr Johnson AC of True Cy I AUG 2'1 [PAGE 4] PORTLAND OREGON August 2oth l9t7 Lt Co Donald Springer Aasietant Starr Sir Saw in the portland pnper a short time ago in ro ga rds to an artio recards to tho so called ying diso having nny basi of £not I cun say am a prospeotor and was in the lit Adams distriot on June 24th the day nne*k mo of Boise Idaho claiMB he saw a Orl!!Ction of flyinG dtso A nd saw the samo yin& objeots at about the st:une time Ihviu telot;c:>pe with rt'!t at tho +.:.mo i onn e.sure you they are r~~l nnd notin lil=o tho I ovur 3aw before hoy did not pass verry hir,h over whore -a.o ato.nding a.t the tho tii:n lobly 1000 rt thoy rtero Round abo~t 30 root in dime.tor tapering sharply ton point in tho bN1d end in en OVC'.l lhnpo with brit;h"G top aur:!'acQ did not heor any noiao rou would a plane But ther was an object in the tail end looked like 6115 hanu or a block shi.f'ting ro:::i side to side like a big magen~t Thero spoed as rar as i know se oced to be ereater than anythint I ever saw Lost veir I got or tho objeots they vere standing on edge 13&.rtkin in a Cloud Yours Respectfully Johnson A Lt Colone AC Urt 06 No West 1st Ave Portland Oregon CONFIDENTIAL [PAGE 5] STAN RM NO 64 Office ¥en durJZ UNITED GOVERNME Director FBI DATE Septanber 1937 Atten Assistant Director LADD SAC San Francisco AIRMAIL SUBJECT REPCRTS oPFLrnm Discs Enclosed fo your information are copies of two etters from Lt Col DONALD SPRINGER of Hamilton Field California dated August 27 194 with attachmen reporting the sighting of flying discs on Guam and result of investigation at Tacoma and Kelso Washington DWK:MR 62-2938 9vf Df EJTCLOSURE AT TACHED nt COPIES DES'T'W)YED 270 NOV ld 1~b4 [PAGE 6] [PAGE 7] [PAGE 8] HEADQOARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE Office of the Aa•iatant Chier of Statf Intelligenoe Hamilton Field California UFDA 27 Augua'b 1947 333.6/1208-I SOBJECTs Investigation Flyin& Disc TOs Speoial Agent in Charco FBI Department of Juatioe Federal Office B~ilding Room 422 San Franoisoo California Atta~hed aunmiary rorwarded for your information DONALD SPRINGER Inoli Lt Colonel GSC Summary of In£orma.tion AC of [PAGE 9] HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORC Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff Intollic;enco Hnnilton Field California 4AFDA 27 August 1947 333.5/1208 SUBJECT Investigation of Flying Disc TOr Spooial Agent in Charge FBI Depa tment of Justioe Seattle Washington Attached aUl'Ullary for11arded for your information Inola DONALD SPRnTOER Swmnary of Information Lt Colonel GSC AC or I CO~J~IDE1'JTIAL [PAGE 10] CO!'JFIDEN'TIAL COPY All COUE GSRVICE D:TACimCmr 62d MF B'J oChord Field aehlncton la Au uat 1~7 SUB CTt iw italon RcPon r-o Comiandlug orr1ce Air cu Service oDill Fi•ld lorida JIIS IO?f mn.mm fhirtv ine JiATURE a A'I 0400 P61 Au!rull't 47 ARtff P'LlGBT EP.VICE noti.f1•4 llh1e dot nt plane had beon Hetl to oraeh nd burn thirtoOl'l la Jll.11 ou1:h or JCEL30 aab1n ton 4608 12.20f115 Acrron TAKE At 04,&0 AUS r•oeind 1ni'o t1on rrc-o IMT Cl rk loo ah ritt nt &&LOO thAt tho acono or tho crcoh llfll8 t1f'toon 16 to i nty to dloe ot KELSO in the Yiclnity ct OO"aLE OREEX Th tmLS0 CM.of or olloo an ai:ror'ft!'v t"ly low ovor tho tomi th omah ruid but'll to out lc abo\.lt 02$0 P..,i A ohook of 1.ror tt knOYn to bo in tho v1.o1ll1ty r•.-•d•cl -thllt -20 151G hnd dopartod JICCHO'RD FIRU e.t 0211 PS tc.;r IL\.mL!O PIELD iCalifornS.e fhe woo.tnor ol"tod aa CFR A full t)OO -.da vbibiltt.y x~pUonally od pilot l1llDe waa C.&.t>T lllVIDSOl'a the pl1uw ca.rrled threo additionfll po on ha Saae Qi,e l"a.tione Ott1oor encl llaa PIO notU'1 Thie detac nt began orsanlaing ground pa rty or baae po l"aonn to eupplo nt t.hat h4t1ng ronwd by the EtsO Chi et ot Poli oe At OoOO PS intor.ution ec iT•d troa Ill.SO by APS that groun4 fog in tho Y&lloye at th aoen of tl10 orath pro Dti uound p&l"ty fNa 1ooat1n the plane Since co=mm.cation had b•on recalYOd trom 8•25 lSlG it wa aaawc.d that i tht plcno reported ora hod AllS re-tlichted to lranapo1·1I the Arn ground rt to REL-SO but a obeok 01 the field condl ion there me4 lt c4'rioablo to a 11 airorart or th two C-45e available on longing to AFS unaor•1ced at er a night tli{thts th othor belonc inr to MC& re dled though ro11pondh otricer ot hnt ort•n h&tion riot nt to author he the fU.&ht at LSO pr•••n1.ed -off until 0100 PST The gound led by CI\Pi I Ll!'IRELL und CA FOR6BEn conaiotod or au 1nc1ud1n& a dic,al technician e.nd a photographer At 0600 PST tho UO Chlcr of Poli not1f1 PS a 110n or or tho crci1h rplano a in hi ott1oe nd oont ncod CONFIDENTIAL [PAGE 11] be11et thil tbo GR&h aa thc.t or tho unreported Tiie TAPP or l.AWTOJg S&T?L.i na 11~1Zlj\ll"OQ but Nport that th ew oh1 gt rmms was o.t a tm houoe nc the eo•n ho ara•h and wa11 ir jnr•4 8gt TAFF hen 1•4 an o;abul new to ct wi:10 auba•~u•ntly ukon to lo hoaplt At oe10 t.n attecp 11 iiel•phono JIAl-nLTO?i Plm.D bu no ananr reoeiYOclJ hc:rire\'Cr it waa known tha.t HAUILTO?f APS ar t.ha inoident an4 would notl.fy Sq At 0700 PST Ct.pt LlTfifBW departed a C-46 tor lilll.SO t.t 0746 PST WI ontaoted by ph~no ellii C1Yon tl.oah roporti At 0905 PSf OA Ll'l''me."Lt phonod an<i infenad th11i he hn4 placed CAP'lAlR FO!lS &RG in oharge of Arq por1ou rocffdtn tc the oane ot the ora,h Co aoa~ch waa neoo8sary a o1Till•n in the area know tho xao tion of tho craah nd h•d report.ec.l tin.din on bo in t.h ll'l ol- CAPl LITTRELL prepared fly ttt 1'AFF o.nd MA'l'IffilYS to COHOHD FJ&LL tor d1o att ntiou arrh1ng a 03,5 PST The 11urvhn,r-e et.ntud th thc-.1 bolioY- cl tbor ho l)Hot nor oo--p1lot h.aa re.ohutod f'roo tho plo.uc l'ht taco of th 1nc1dont flt tMo tiC".o deto1•mlnt1d to be a r1N in tho rt u:q;tn CJ.Pt L!ffiU";J.t inforr.od by Sgt fl.FF that belie oln1si!'iocl doctm nts hnd bean abocrd tho planc C~f FORSlWRO a 1natructod t-o telko OOH&U pro0t/.ut1onn An Mbu.ltinc the pl ne CCHO FhLD onrry1ns two 11urviT'1r8 and took thc:n to tho hoGpltal Int rrotrt-tion Tavonled t~t tho ciuo hnd u;ht fir tho power ction and rlCl:llo Wl Gpro to tho rll&ht dock AlJnodt 1ci:::ed 1atoly The or- oh1ot llAT.tlffiJS aa1et cl TAf!'F 11l e.tto.ching h1u ohaat pool Jt'F abundonc:,4 tho plano tan cst1=t nlt1tudo or lO 000 rt eii tot 4oubto4 but la not conaidored11ZOooa1 r11y rol~vimtj TI holped tho pilot nd oo-p11ot ttaoh their chaot cka nll por aomiol hnd »oo\'i nr111r th blll'ndsa and bo lort -th pk.no me th th CO"':S)iloti paril'\8 to follow Trut pilot hM1 tartod leave &."'If to th beet r•oollectio» ot 1'llfils pci rtl lly -.to.n4iDG na holcU.ng thD nt:tol ol vt1 hi left rid W.i'iiti:7 t•t•tl.ttnta rin propor 03r ncy rooed~res hnd been porror:lo4 out that ho bat °"'lopcd the ntir lei a1do l!:!Oet i diately TAPf at beoauao th full moon nd goo4 1rl•S bl 11 ty he so UA'f'l!El'JS avo tho Md as bl to follow th plane to tile round ana thQt ho anv no ono ol lb il out Tho hip uv lop in f'lamao and boc1nninc to 11 a rt botor hittins th round w'nor exploded ond burud about on.o ail trm wt.are us TAPP leGed ill tn,o end not l:r.owin how to leaae his paraohut or ho llck-detaor.abl kinct out himaolt looH troa tho tio•a Y.ith hie pouet mire Be kick end trugglcd end eventua lly ju th gro~nd ooeiYin5 jolt oD i~aot b~t unAble to gu how ho ha4 c.llen l!o thon tollowd a oow tb tor tin ed twv ell to a a.m h0\!1 arr1v1 rter TJIBWS anwh11 a T.EIE\7& ol r.-d th plan ho t\arnad nd tho plane 1triko tho round e,:plod.e nd burn Juart be.fore or just at tbc or 1tipac be a obj11of -.l'iro thromt olo or tho r,l no but did tot know whoth&r ma rc1J1l or rt at th pl•n 4AfE iB alao 11 in a tree anct att~r rr 1ug h1:selt hi oaa foll to tho uoiu.14 he Jur hl ck lost conoolou neae and on rocoveri nz ni to tho burning planu bout t'l.t'by [PAGE 12] Q;NFJ.DENTIAL Ubj ta Fi nal i&11tor Rep Au5u1t 19'7 60 yard l&1t wero ga1ng orr ams ll tbo\l,,.h11 bee to lcaw the aoo hea rd etr4"ll:l nearby nd t'ol l011Vd uplill ho oer.w to a hou 10 and rou94>4 tl1 00011pant oon APF arrivod o.ti tho hou1c and being un l11j\lrod irl••n tuto 1iO'lfll Thon ti led an a ll b1.1lar.ce to et.reot tran ■porla Uoza or UAflillfiS to ho:,;ii al MY1~1lo a1v1 linn -ro hcd tho aoeno of he om.sh whoro hoy found one body A 0930 PGT c:e•••G trom i lnrorra.od thet top orot t•rtcl the AflgQtora ltlt and to requeat GN..-flding Ct£1o•r llCCEORD PttLD to expedite 11 nilable lnt'omot1o to Co adi?lJ Ot tioor tiAUIL'l'O FIELD riwbil Q~'t l'llUIB RO om four onU&i departec!l EUlO 0930 PST or o•n ot the OP eh hoy W.N Qor tod by th fASIUJlGf-0 STATE POt,lC ho lln th i,t loe!lt1 on the lnr 46009 1220,s rho groUDd -ty de-tsmlned upou arri nl a th\'J oc th ti.,o bcdiej were in the nNckAge lndioation1 led -to tho bcU tliot th io-a)1lot o.t"lr en ho l•tt plnne o.n in1tant batore 1cptlot p1lo WON i'ound in the CDt!:O re Uminaey nnatigtl tbn OAPT PvBSIIERG diaolo tho pl I rt wing about on mm4r nt fiTO 128 yard ro tho wldi:,ly tt ct portr tions tlt the i lC Tho loft w1n to.ct nil hod pp£ nUy torn of-£ ju outbOW"d of tho loft ngino oro 1i'?lp ot 71\e fon,.urd portion ot thfi Wini wb ltcd but the reu two thir!So 1nd1oat that it ho.d ripl)6'1 loo tbe i et1o of rir l'h win dint adr,e a ur god 1'h1t fl.g•tio t1nd lrU:d1n 11 r,!';te rll unhYokon lto~mi UI &Gd but the tlap 800~1on was CTU~b lo~dtug to th boliet that 1.ho willt 1-truclc All ion From theae lndtoot1ono lieTed th w1n rippod h!o the a1.rplane juet a.rter t!.AnDm8 ab donod the la ce fh rc,aultlng r:pin 11hu prew:ite4 th re:r 1n1ng er bor tro bailing O\lt lt.boup tihct co ilot rnsy Yo ln the bfl1>ch A chilian 1"0r in tho re& when CAP1 POF.S13SRO JT1Ted he took pr•oautio~a r.-v.nt th rroQ di ur b1Dg ho wt'Oebeo A'II 116'1 PS'l CAPT μTTREt.L f'l lAP1 lUCf to KELSO An twbulan oo at petchcd fi'Olll CCtroRD FIEU th at Et.SO ric led t.G th 10•1:2 or the ere ah by tbe S'lAT POilIC Th bod1 rooo~red and tx-ane parted ln the ai!bu la nc i.o CLO FIELD CAPT Llf!ll Lt ro turnod mono FIELD where oqping eQ\dp nt repared to be d~op to the ound rt CAPT LITTRELL do a auooeHful drop at dt.lak by aigh\1Dt on a al r1re 1'he erouad J"1;y up camp a th wreolta acene to o.ot e.a cuua and to invteti f1rth tho to llo w1n day thy re l1ev or roaponaibllity ot 11 reoonrod documonta by CIC agon who MriY a out 1800 PO Aus 4.1 he uow,d arty ro:ia1no4 at th eGQno or th ora1h nd1 rr101 eaour1nn ct hO 1.no1dent Aorl aotiTity Au 47 cnon.o Ptnu 0pe ro tion11 Ot f'1c•r depano4 1000 PSI to 1n•••t1gato tlw aoo1C:S.n"1 nd t,o relieve CAP fOtlSBKRa who rot\U"Decl 1600 PS'l lno1<1An"II oloeoa CONFIDENTIAL [PAGE 13] bjeo Final Uiae1on Rcpor a OROUJID ACTIVIff oul r:nn hour by Mij Per101lll tiold Total a:.nn hourc by her Arey Poraonr..ol eatl i"ot!ll our b,Y civlli poroonnol to ct r.J.1 a dTlv by Ji.r-y Vchielee AERIAL ACl'IVlfi Total No of 8QZ''ll1ou rlom1 rotel hours tlcnm by An:;y a1r or«l~t LOCAL l'UllCUASE3 none 12 00 l~O soo Coopar tion from to and xoellent on HOBER Jf ONIIBILIER Ce.pt in A ir Corp 1~n<llnfl or:t1cor CONFIDENI'lAL [PAGE 14] e&NPIBIIINTl::Ml iUAnrEP.:J Fmmffl Atn PO CE otl leo ttant Ch1 or t.att ll 11 l'I 11.C el l1to"11o Tin.E tnvcati t,icn ot Plyiun viso CoNTRoLLINc oFF1cE 1~1c1 Fu.E No a03 I PEmoo OVERED al J\tl turou at l&.\T CAsE CLASSIFICATION DATE STATUS OF CASE P.ndl1\(L REASON FOR INVESTIGATION 1w•1;l 1o!l lnlt1at.d the request or Air DotenH iQ Nooo 1\1 4t0 Jul tll DUt 611 eubjt lnftstigatlOQ ot lylng 11100 YNOPSISt On 251 July 41 f!r Arnold Adaticm dlto.- or Idaho at;ecma te phono4 Lt rown requ tlnc he ro1.1.u•n to &CO"OA aa\lao nold ooll•Te4 he bacl eom veey -.t.tol into tlon oa th tl.vin4 41ao Lt Offl'l and Capt Da-r14aon int rvlewd wod C_rts::an and a A Dehl elonz wtth Capt Smi~h ot tho tJn 1to4 Air Wnoa ar.4 A J"'DOl at hrop otel ln &:aoo ashluet,on on tho nt&ht J~y li&7 the ry or thoil 1n\or-rogat10Tl Ud tindlnr a ral•te4 Or neler Pu'bllo lni9o?'Dl1iin orti Chord Field by rnold and cp1 m.th jor e.nd•r retold iihd reault or 1nY0111.1.pt1on to thi oft1oer hle notoa Dahl an4 Crl cc t\TUilabl tor lnterrin dl11 thio otft ln tbt\t area lthou!;)a noey oL'tort to oontaot theta Furthor 1nvettlc;nt1on or -tbia pnrtiic,.ll.e.r- lnc1den loi"t With wdden Dt If.co aah1n on tt apparent trtD n9n te.r cUp-'1n& l•phou llc to tlilc of'tlcor ccml'GrMtton with jor ana.r hnt Unit corre1poWSG%lt or the a ft a 1nat1'1.U3ntal lTl 11:0oplt\,G thla OCff liTO ru ot:tlcer Md jor auder cltho\lnh qtt0ted cany 1.mea tho p.-oes 414 not 41•ou thl 1;ter with th prou dut"lnt tho pcr1oc1 ot l!d report lbo anon,n:ou ey1ter,1 ull•r ln com ooald poa ■tbly be DISTRIBUTION COPIES I I ADO nc1aoo 4ii a AUG 30 1947 P.M.O.Form.No 110 eeNfJIBIIN91At April 1944 Tblo lona i Fann 19 wldob will thia rerioioD bo ued upo a receipt ol [PAGE 15] Cl•Rl port C8MFIBD~TIAL the tt rnoon of 11 oly An.a~ion Mt fl or the J4t.bo te83l1 t•1-flhc:mt1 Lt Olffl a Co a quar~v Vaurt and otatea that rut ol th bad v:d inY-e•ttca tlytn dlao oxplod a ta ot"tl 012 W&G req cl au4 tlnano.4 by i A Pal ll"O ro ldt 1tte Che A nu.mt ant i f.\oloau.N and taoloaur 1Gnatve to tno ha ot t.hcl tor er a le a t'On.ior I Fora o1't1ee-r en4 riean the ot In.cl.own ot ro eoook tho e,01 ottlM onawor to tt htoaio oU tt at Chord hld rln atternooc 31 c.ansc,a their lfo to c1vi11an clo hint ln th alronft O.M OU tlo:o to tdl,Y th doaire tN~rtntllw to Ta they ro db OOIZt tu ltr rr 47 wbJ lnvo 1cm rc;o Sar-br tm~o rnol di to th nten1 Cz-ltt:an hot•l oom tn the tel ot Al'ft01 wn ct thl otr.o i 14 nate4 obtatnoo l<tenttoal ctUNd in lt2~0S1aff8 re u~,-uel'US IA nc tr.'t rN hn'F oaz- ln th rou not tu ny co nt tan a -:r1ae 1'12 IS lat ry 14 tb 11 lor ndor ea to tut oubdit&i:iee or la f!l1"I tlon by t.t r01m &nd Oo.:1t IraYl4tom ton 21 Dt.hl wee proc t.ng south of J•lann ln CJ:tl boat Pl'V't fl)~» dL•c out ot th ol.ouda lrel elow1 Ol'Olnl4 bay 4N,ppi to An on lfl'Atl or 600 ot t'hc a,J)pearo4 -oun cot Fl BEHTIAL P.M Fo rm No 11 [PAGE 16] CI-R1 eport GONF19ENTIAL nattcu a aut no ltmOJ"tube t,y to be 4lf1P os 1111b pcm1 out.er ot tl porthole ncor uaon or po.rthOlc 41 1IIVN fiilenti and -poi ot p_ropulelon dlCOI an rnt.r of ho 01•0 a ppearoa tQ nr t:Ni0Clttl on 1otm-ed ln lnclawn cm effJ.lly boat Oab ira iu.:,;::1..-.,.ror ot 3or «mar bola ltl&l'l bu or on 11 mt Ciho nr lotloly a m.~d root OU Clll4 tho t?\o op lf naentod opp t171 htt thlc 1=at i l'tat ta to AOO tbs c:.'bln r-ooi so ot -t!ii.lnt tad a to k~UU"O shc»ro u-ol £or VCU"loue al Md i t;o check hl ato17 pr mmt.o4 to L'b a uppc f!o baftl lM14ont a 4\sc C&!:!tl tho onec 1Nfl0i1alV haorl oS er 14 to iele up he tfi>r ar:.l;e11 M1£1 r..m lt po8 I rororo oo no I fd.cbt bfw CO ClOl"<.!&8 tty er C'hl.c tu or loz- Bt 61 uml7/J m-o,m mwrc fl tor ans With a eb1ffl.llt m-ano at Pi Q.E.11-r;u bcu.r on Au.gus t£ti1o ottlum or Jar dflr lU"l'.!.DY IJ1don'b fa rcau or l~at1&at1«l eot~FIDE ►~TlatcL W.D.,P.N.G Form No 11 [PAGE 17] CONFIDENTIAL oor;.1.lt.o her vahl or rl bout acm:;;a am on thff'e~oFo-11 1;h1 t'loer 414 no o«ffer~lc Wl dtrcotly Mm A rooora obeck telo the ttla lol t1oo I for noor- 1iman a on fl'F rl«!lin l:C!-0 ruDv,t'-1-ro i'h t-b Od!oote4 en ohar mt uo.Ul•mt ot i bho of 1ona1 p~l"'t$ rt ooold %l<>t i ho ubjc,o lll q'Qt>o~cm 6nd l"Cllel Cri Gd lffllt•to tb kr bl ot 11Ct e.ud ld tatn l.l et tt-.et l!WlDarO cb1no:i Pflcaey ttvt 1cm tn~Hm lhticm hc1~lc 11m I 8~ah toi- aom1~ian ac a ry l•pbcme i oto II Hdrtt bcne 11SZ oltto tuc1dtJrN ln Ylew of ho t:a by Crlaam eon eratlon van oJto ee oton nd f'l,-s.n st en 1md.8 tr 1'lre IJJ01J iv tr to tr vc le to a l~tll'l Flna1 lou e,;ouo C6rn eo C:O ►•FIDENTIAl P.M For No 110 [PAGE 18] [PAGE 19] [PAGE 20] -ta)NFIDENTI!.-l ii [PAGE 21] [PAGE 22] [PAGE 23] [PAGE 24] [PAGE 25] CO NFIDEN ±'.LA [PAGE 26] was Office Memo um UNITED S1n ovERNMENT TO FROM SUBJECT METAL FRAGMENTS SERVED AT WEST RUDGE NE11 HAMPSHIRE JULY 1947 SECURITY MA.Tr.ER 7-29-47 Referenoe is made to Bost on teletype to tho Bureau datod July 18 1947 Dean John Bunker the original inf'or111ant baa advi:sed that a speotographio examination has boen oomplotod of tho metal partioles referred to Thay were determined to be of ordinary oast iron whioh bad boen aubjeoted to a very high degree of heat The heat caused aoales to be formed on the oaet iron whioh were originally thought to bo of some metallic alloy The soientist examining the partioloa oonoluded that if they had oome through the air from any great altitude in as small pieoea aa they were found th.en most of the heat would have been taken from them by the time they reao~ed the ground and fires WOUld not havo resulted It ia noted they landed approximately 700 feet from a railroad traok e.nd inquiriea were oonduoted by MI to determine whether or not the partioles oould havo been originally a pa.rt of a liuer in a smoke staok or some other part of the steam engine Theee inquiries resulted in positive information -that the particles did not oome from a train or looomoti ve Measurements of the four pieoes examined revealed that they had most likely been originally all part of one hollow oylinder eight inohes in diameter and three sixteenth of a.n inoh in thioknesa It felt that ono piooo falling from a great height would haw still retained a good part of its heat and probably 11ould have mashed when hit the ground A aoiontiat whom Doan Bunker did not identify by name recalled that oast iron oylindors of similar measurements had been used in New Mexioo on roaearoh work on a guided missile projeot However this unidentified scientist not so oonoludo to the exoluaion or all other possibilities OON INi'T is intere ting to note that the examination at MIT was a.otually oonduoted 7)(0 who furnished the Boston Office with an informal re ort similar in all major details to that supp lied by Dean Bunker above The man at MIT are gathering through friends all additional pieoes of the origin&l oylin available These will be turned over to the Boston Office No further examination is being oonduotad by MIT and no effort is being ma.de reoonatruot tho original cylinder Unlesa advised to the contrary by August 15 1947 the destroy these specimon In tho interim they will be transmitted to the Bureau on speoifio Bureau instruotiona COPIES DQq~'llO YE --<1<.c:P 27 NOV ld Wb4 EX 64 i t1P 55C oston Offioe will I [PAGE 27] [PAGE 28] It is noted that the original Boston teletype refleoted that this inquiry was being treated aa 19cret matter at MI has advised that the comparatively Blll&ll number of research sc i entists at LJ during the summer are a oognizant of the incident and the results of the researoh However no publicity has been given and it ia not anticipated that any will res\llt he Bureau's interest is not known to the scientists at IT There ha1 been no speculation that a guided missilo originating in a foreign land landed in New Hampshire As indicated above unloas tho Bureau requests spoo i fioally further investigative aotion this oase is being olosed in the Boston O£tioe SG:m 100-20 698 [PAGE 29] i 8-15-47 5-45 PM VGW FBI URGENT FLYING DISCS ON INSTANT DATE A c.>-,;RIE OF TWIN FALLS IDAHo I FO RMED LOCAL NEWSPAPER THAT COMMUNITY THAT AT ONE PM ON WEDN~DAY LAST AUGUST THIRTEEN HE AND TWO SONS BILLIE AGE TEN KEITH AGE IGHT SA AN OBJECT NINE MILES NORTHWEST OF TWIN FALLS RE SE MB LI FLYING DISC URIE STATED THIS BJECT AS PROCEEDING UXX DOW AL MO RIVER AT TERRIFIC SPEED ESTIMATED BY HIM AT ONE TH USAND IL ES PER HO UR URIE AND SONS DESCRIBED OBJECT TO NEWSPAPERS AS TW ENTY FEET LONG TEN FEET WIDE AND TEN FEET THICK LIGHT SKY BLUE IN COLOR AND ALSO OBSERVED FLAMES EMANATING FROM SIDES OF BJECT AT TIME URIE AND SONS SA OBJECT THEY ALL HEARD LOUD SWISH WHEN OBJECT DISAPPEARED FRIM SIGHT CURRENT EFF RTS BEING MADE TO INTER VIEW URIE AND SONS PURSUANT TO BUREAU BULLETIN FO RTY WO SUB DIVISI ON DATED JULY THIRTY NINETEEN FO RTY SEVEN BU EAU i dL RO MPTL A BANISTER I I EN vr PL ACK AND HOLD IJ 7-4 PM FBI WA BW [PAGE 30] [PAGE 31] ST ANOAP~tF,OfiM NO 64 GO VE RN MENT ojjce dum UN ITED TO The Di rector DATE August ll FR OM Mr Ladd i:r o~le er i.:r Rosen SUBJECT FLYING DISCS a In connection with your request to be advised as to the facts concerning newspaper reports of flying discs in the Portland area and the rn reported conference of army officials in Portland concerning flying discs i1e 11 the Portland Office has advised that Leaveritt Richards a~tion editor of the Oregonian has stated that Captain Willia"'ll L~vidson and Lieutenant Frank i wn of the Fourth AAF Headquarters San Francisco were in Portland on J~-27 947 Toile in Portland they interviewed Dick nkin an expe rienced pilot who had reported that he observed on June 11 a fonnation of ten flyin discs over Bakersfield California Richards added that Davidson and Brown had also interviewed the following four erienced pilots who vrere among the first rep rt seeing discs K~:met~rnold b1l.sinessman from Bo2f.e Idaho Captain omith a co- pilot Ral~tevens United Airl ines and Dav~Johnson aviation editor Idaho 11 Statesman 11 In order to determine the purpose of ese interviews Richards contacted ajor General Twining of Wright Field Ohio and frQ him gained the impression that the A.AF ins tituted this investigation to wash out the disc reports since they a re definitely not of AAF origin On Friday Au ust the plane in which AAF investigators Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brovm were flying crashed at Kelso Washington and both were lci.l led The wreckage was screened by AA:F Intell ig ence from McChord Field The 11 Tacoma News Tribune 11 and through them t'.le United Press put out a story that the plane vias carrying parts of a disc which had struck a boat owned by Haro ld Dahl and red Chrisman It has also been inferred that this plane was sabota ed to prevent these disc parts from being examined STATUS Investigation by the Bureau has reflected th.d.t this lane was definitely not carrying parts of a disc and 1ere appears to be no substantiation of a sabotage charge For your further information ere is attached a blind memorandum setting forth in more detai the results of the investigation surrounding the above plane crash No further inquiry is being made in this matter ACTION Air Fo rce Intelligence has been advised of the results of our investi gation RE COR DED I I INDE I RGF mjp If COPIES DESTROY ED 27 NOV 18 1~o4 EX-81 [PAGE 32] I rt rr er [PAGE 33] August 14 1947 FLYING DISCS The 11 Tacoma News Tribune and through them the United Press put out a story that an anny plane which was allegedly carrying parts of a disc which had struck a boat owned by Harold Dahl and Fred Chrisman had crashed on August 1947 killing two Air Force Intelligence officers who were interviewing persons who were alleged to have seen flying discs Harold A Dahl and Fred Chrisman when interviewed by Bureau Agents advised in a signed statement on August 1947 that in the early part of June 1947 they picked up some strange rock formations from a gravel pit on Hauri Island Washington They sent a cigar box of these formations to one Ray Palmer editor of the Venture magazine in Evanston Illinois and also editor of the Fantasy magazine in Chicago Illinois According to them they requested Pal'!ler to make only a chemical analysis of the rock formations Palmer then wrote asking for additional samples stating he had been unable to analyze the material Dahl and Chrisman rem~rked that a few days after the flying disc stories appeared during the latter part of June Pa.lmer contacted them by telephone saying he would pay for an exclusive story if the materials they had sent him were fragments of a flying disc Dahl said he wrote Palmer a letter in which he represented the material as being a part of a flying disc and both Dahl and Chrisman admitted that this statement was entirely false Dahl and Chrisman then received a call from one Kenneth Arnold of Poise Idaho who requested them to meet him at the Winthrop Hotel in Tacoma on July 31 1947 According to them Arnold called in ar:ny intelligence officers from Hamilton Field California and one Captain Emil Smith of United Airlines of Seattle Washington to attend this meeting Dah and Chrisman maintained they told the intelli gence officers Captain Davidson Lieutenant Brown Kenneth Arnold and Emil Smith exactly how they ot the rock format i ons and that they had no connection with any flyin discs Dahl and Chrisman stated that they then furnished some of the rock formation to the intelligence officers as samples Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown left Tacoma Washineton in a B-25 to return to Hamilton Field California about 30 A.M August 1947 and were killed when eir plane crashed at Kelso Washington after the eft engine burqed out an exhaust stack which in turn cau ht the left wing on fire which caused it to break off The crew chief and each officer parachuted to safety Ernie Vogel an Associated Press wire.man at Tacoma advised that two or three days after the flying disc story started he contacted Dahl to check the story COPIES DESTROYED 270 NOV 18 1964 [PAGE 34] that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer had received from the Fire Chief at Harbor Washington to the effect that Dahl had some flying disc fragments At this time Dahl admitted to Vogel that the entire story was a lse Relative to Arnold Dahl and Chrisman stated that he was paid by Ray Palmer of the Fantasy magazine and possibl the Boise statesman to come to Tacoma and obtain a story from em regarding the flyin disc fragments On July 31 and Au ust a total of five anonymous calls were received by a Tacoma Times re orter and the United Press Wireman at Tacoma iving information regarding he meeting at the Winthrop Hotel over the disc fragments and statin that the B-25 had been sh ot down or sabota ed which killed Captain Davids on and Lieutenant Brown inferring that is was done because the intelligence officers were carrying disc fragments in their plane Dahl and Chrisman stated that thes calls could only have come from the selves Arnold or Smith wi10 they stated had a friend on the Chicago Times and was possibly sellin the stor to the Chicago Times through this friend Dahl and Chrisman denied ma:o.ng these calls Smith upon interview stated that re orter Iantz of the Tacoma Times and orello of the United Press office in Tacoma had informed him that Arnold had several anonymous calls and from the accuracy of the information transmitted Smith believes they we mad by either Dahl or Chrisman [PAGE 35] damage Pl,I;IER of Chicaeo a DAHL in his room A COPIES IJ;•r-;rrr ri- 270 Dlela ra i!il ltreau fnuestiga lltnitecl ftates il partm.ent of Ilustir.e 407 Court House eattle iashington August 18 1947 DIRECTOR FBI ID FLYT 10.S SIGPT3D BY FRED CRISMAN and HAROID A DAHL TACO il SHINGTON SU Dear Sir The following in~ral are the facts garding the flying disc story that started by F:l vRI and 1-LROID A.-f.U1rnL which subsequently resulted in news stories the acoma TLnes the oise Stateaman and th~hicaeo Times that a 25 carrying Army Intelligence officers was shot down or sabotaged over Kelso ashington on August 1947 because it was carry ing so~e flying disc fragments The original story as related by FRED CPIS!WJ and l:L\ROLD DAHL was to the effect that DAHL while patrolling in his boat near aury land ashington sighted six flying discs one of which fluttered to the earth and disintegrated showering his boat with fragments nich caused some the boat and killed his dog H.,ROID HL wrote a letter to RAY A ff Davis Company which publishes fantastic adventure magazines in sen him f:r;pgments of the flying disk and relating the above story AL.:.!ER requested---1:rans- Radio rews in icago to verify the story as related by H.~ROID DAHL and FRZD CPIS:.W~legraphed RAY i 1,L'..IER confirming DAHL I story RAY PAU.::ER then engaged im!f\TE r'NOID Boise Idaho who was the firs to report sighting the flying di sc and om Ri,Y P,-.Il ER had previously made a contract for story regarding the flying disc to come to Tacoma and check the story as related by FRED CRIS:UN and HAROID DAHL KEI-J::ETH t,NOLD came to Tacona ashington July 30 1947 and arranged for a meeting the following day July 31 with FRED C"'.IS!.:Ai and H.\ROID 502 iinthrop Hotel Tacomq 15.shington KE:!NEJH ttNOID also called to attend the meeting Captain v;r S'ITTH United Airlines Pilot who had also reported seeing flying disc fragments and Army Intelligence to attend F.Ef10H.D-mD 54 nu>:XED NOV 181!fo I [PAGE 36] 1947 August 19 1947 this meeting KENlffi:TH ARNOLD Captain EMIL ITTH FRED CRI Hi OID DAHL Captain DAv.:::DSON and Lieutenant BROHN of Army A Intelligence from Hamilton Field Califo nia all met in ARNOLD room at various times during the afternoon and evening of July 31 1947 and discussed the flying di sc sto as related by CRIS!JAN and DAHL The Army Inte ll igence Officers Captain AVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN left about 00 A the morning of August 1947 to return to Hamilton Field California for Air Fo ce Day in a B-25 and were carrying some of the reported disc fragments The left engine on the 25 burned an exhaust stack which in turn caught the left vdng afire the wing subsequently breaking off and tearing off the ta il The 25 rashed killing Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO IN However the Crew Chief and a hitch hiker parachuted to safety Intelligence Officers at cChorcl Field Washington advised there was no indication of any sabotage The pl ane crashed at Kelso ashington approximately 50 A August 1947 Five anonymous calls were received by a reporter Tacoma Times and the United Press ire.man Tacoma between 11 30 A July 31 and 30 August 1947 The first call was to a Tacoma Times eporter approximately 11:30 A 11 July 31 in which the caller stated that there was a meeting taking place at that time in room 502 of the linthrop Hotel concerning the disc fragments found on Maury Island The second call war received betw een ll 00 A and 12:00 noon August 1947 by the Tacoma Times reporter in which the caller advised that at that moment a big meeting was taking place in ARNOLD room nwnber 502 inthrop Hot el that the 25 which crashed was carrying disc fragments and that UcChord Field officials had stated it was shot down or sabotaged The third call was received Friday August 1947 at 30 by the United Press nireman Tacoma in which the caller stated that the 25 which crashed at n.elso -.1ashington was carrying flying disc fragment and that the dead officers were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROvlN A Intelligence Officers at Hamilton Field California This call was prior to the release of the dead officers na~es by Army authorities and the caller indicated that when the names were released it would verify the infol:mation he was furnishing was correct The fourth phone call was received at approximately 6:45 Friday August by the United Press rireman in which call the caller stated the 25 was definite}rshot down and that if he contacted Army Intelligence officers they would not deny it The fifth phone call was received by the United Press ireman Tacoma at 5:30 August 1947 at Vlhich time the c,n}ler stated the B-25 was shot down from the air with a 20 m.m cannon that the hrine plane found recently on Rainier had also been shot down and that Captain SHITH wou be taken to iright Field Tuesday morning en the Army authorities released the names of the dead Intelligence officers which verified the information as given by the anonymous caller the Tacoma TL~es printed this story on August 1947 and carried several articles thereafter inferring that the 25 had been shot down or sabotaged because of the fact that it was carrying disc fragments DAHL and CRIS!i.AN have admitted that the material which they sent to RJ..Y PAUfER had no connection vd.th any flying discs and have given a signed statement to that effect which are being [PAGE 37] August 19 1947 forwarded herein DAHL and CRI~AN deny however that they actually started the flying disc story and their actual part in the story United Airl ines pilot EMIL TH states that DAHL and CP.ISHAN on July 31 1947 both related their original flying disc fragment story Infonnation gathered would indicate that the anonymous phone calls were possibly made by FRED CRI$WI in order to build up the flying disc story to the point where they could make a profitable sale of the story to RAY PAI1:ER Chicago Illinois No facts have been developed which would definitely prove that CRIS!.!AN made these calls However from all facts and infonnation gathered it appears he is probably the most likely to have made the anonymous calls The detailed interviews of the persons contac ted in regard to this flying disc story are being set out below The following investigation was conducted by Special Agent DAVID A MacCULLOCH at Tacoma T:ashington on August 1947 ER.~EL Associated Press ireman Tacoma ashingto advised that in the early part of June 1947 he was requested by the Seatt le --w.ot::Lcci±c:....,..Jiu:nu:t..e.elJ.i.e.encer to check on a story which he was informed had been obtained from the Fire Chief at Harper 71ashington The story was supposed to have originated with FRED CRLS1AN Mr VOGEL stated that the story was to the effect that DAHL while patrolling in his boat near Maury Island saw five or six flying discs one of which fluttered toward the ground and finally disintegrated Fragments of the disc were reported to have showered down on the boat of HAROLD DAHL causing some damage and killing his dog fr VOGEL stated that he went to the home of HAROI.D f}AffL on 3903 North Gove Tacoma ashington to check with him on this flying disc story He stated that as best he could recall this was just a few days after the first flying disc stories had appeared in the paper and was on a Sunday evening He believed it was the early part of June He stated that DAHL took him in the kitchen and proceeded to talk about this flying disc story in low muffled tones He stated that DAHL acted rather suspicious and that shortly his wife came into the kitchen and was in a considerable rage telling DAHL to admit that the entire story was a plain fantasy which he had dreamed up He stated that after his wife told DAHL to admit the entire story was false that DAHL then admitted that there was nothing whatever to the story and it was an entire hoax VOGEL stated that in view of the enraged condition of DAHL's wife he immediately left and reported to the{ieattle Post Intelligencer that the entire story was a hoax and that they should not print it in any way He further stated that he advised the Seattle Post Intelligencer that DAHL was a mental case and that nothing which he had reported should be carried as far as a news story Mr VOGSL stated that since that time he had received repeated requests from the Boise Statesman re questing information as to the flying disc stories reportedly originating with FRED C1llSMAN and HAROID DAHL VOGEL stated that he had never in his experience had such pressure brought upon him to release a news story and that he repeatedly advised the Boise 3tatesman that the story of seeing the flying discs by DAHL and CRist,AN was a complete fabri [PAGE 38] a August 19 1947 cation and should be in no way carried as a news story and refused to furnish any infonnation regarding these reports He further stated that he advised the Boise Statesman shortly before or at the time KENli"ETH L"qNOLD left Boise to come to Tacoma to check on the flying disc stories with DAHL and CRIS!~N that ARNOLD should not come as the entire story was a hoax The following information was obtained from PAU~TZ 4513 South 7th Tacoma Tashington Proctor 8416 a porter for the Tacoma Times It ia.s the Tacoma Times paper which first ssued a story on August nd subsequent stories intimating that the B-25 which crashed at Kelso 7ashington on the early mo rni ng of ugust had been sa botaged or shot down because of the fact that it carried flying disc fragments L.UITZ stated that on Thursday July 31 at approximately 11:30 A he received an anonymous phone call in which the caller stated that iG'"ff'ETH ARNOLD and Army Intelligence officers were meeting in room 502 of the Finthrop otel to check on the flying disc story from wh ich fragments were obtained on Maury Island LANT'l stated he turned around to speak to his editor and hen he picked yj:Y'the phone again the line was dead He stated that the caller asked for BUW":}1crnJR.TIE a reporter on the Tacoma Times who was out at the time of the call He stated that BURT rJc~lliRTIE called ARN0ID at room 502 in the inthrop Hotel and Vias advised by ARN0ID that he could furnish no infonnation as he was there on a Government mission LANTZ stated that on Friday August between 11:00 A 11 and noon he received another phone call for BURT 1JRTIE in which the anonymous caller stated that he might have some info:nnation for him LlliTZ asked the caller if he was not the same party that had called the previous date and he said yes The caller then related that at that moment there was a big meeting in progress in ARNOLD room 502 in the rinthrop Hotel that the 25 which crashed that morning in Ke lso was carrying flying disc fragments from California and that llcChord Field officials had stated the plane was sabotared or shot down The caller then hung up after making some statement to the effect that he was a switchboard operator LWTZ stated that he v1ent to the inthrop Hotel on Friday about noon and found that there was no male operator on duty He stated he then went to room 502 and ARN0ID answered the door and that Captain IlUL SMITH United Airlines pilot was on the phone Li\NTZ stated that he heard JITH make a statement to the effect that the infonnation must be very strictly confidential He stated that there were one or two others in the room besides S"'ITH and ARNOLD but that he could not identify them He stated that ARN0ID told him he could aRe no statement and that he had attempted to check the story with various people on aury Island with negative results He stated that about 3:30 Friday he wrote a story regarding the mysterious informant and called ARNOLD at his hotel room stating that he had written~hi story and that ARNOID had better check it He stated that he talked to CRRELLO the United ress a'ireman Tacoma who advised that the story soun ed fantastic LANTZ stated that about 5:30 Friday August an anonymous caller called TED iORRELLO the [PAGE 39] August 19 1947 United Press 1ireman stating that Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO::N were the Intelligence officers that were killed in the crash of the 25 and that civilians and the sheriff had been kept away from the wreckage vn.th the Anny guarding it He stated the anonymous caller then said that the names had not been released yet by the Anny and that this would verify his statements PAUL LANTZ stated that the follovn.ng morning Saturday August the Anny verified that the officers killed were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO,l'N and two days la ter verified that they were Army Intelligence officers IJI.NTZ stated that the anonymous caller again later contacted TED fORRELLO calling him by that name and at this time stated he did not call the Tacoma News Tribune or the Associated Press and denied calling PAUL LANI'Z or BURT Mct!URTIE In this call the anonymous caller stated that 11 Don think I'm doing this for you 11 He then asked if the story had been put on the wire and when HORRELLO said yes the caller stated m·.e want this to get back to New Jersey 11 The caller further stated that the B-25 was shot down by a 20 m.m cannon and that the marine plane which was recentl_y found wrecked on the side of Rainier having been missing for several months had also been shot down The caller stated to ORRSLLO th::it he should get in touch with a flyer named HORGAN with United Airlines who he stated was with Cap tain Sll.ITH when they were shot at over Montana The caller then stated 11 11 see you Tuesday I going to San Francisco 11 LAJTCE stated that he had checked with Captain c::IL Sl.:ITH of United Airlines who denied knowing any pilot by the name of ORG.',N denied ever having flown over l'ontana LANTZ stated that l:ORR1ILO received another anonymous call in which the caller stated that STITH would be sent to Tright Field on Tuesday and that Saturday one of the men who found fragments of the flying disc was to be flovm to Alaska LA"JTZ stated that in view of the fact that the information as to the Intelligence officers on the B-25 had been as furnished by the anonymous caller had subsequentl_y been verified by the Army the story was released that the 25 was carrying disc fragments returning to Hamilton Field California and furnishing the inference that the plane had been sabotaged or shot down LANTZ stated that about 8:00 on Sunday August he contacted Captain E'IL S!:.,..TH at his home 3027 est Laurelhurst Drive Seattle at which time S:ilTH stated he had not given any story out to the Post Intelligencer at Seattle stated that he had gotten a telegram to call a number in Boise and when he called and found out it was the Boise statesman he had hung up He stated that the Boise 3tatesman then contacted him at which time he admitted he had seen the disc fragments but that he did not take any of them This time ITTH infonned LANTZ that he had been with Uajor GEORGE NDERS Public Relations Officer from 1.!cChord Field all afternoon until about 45 S?.IITH informed L.~~!TZ that he had told the Army authorities every thing that he and ARNOID knew about the flying disc fragments story from the time that l\EN~".ETH ARNOID left Boise Idaho and he had left Seattle Washington This time 9.!ITH admitted that there were some of the supposed disc fragments in ARNOID I room at the linthrop Hotel and that CRISMAN and DAHL had been in the room Thursday afternoon On l!onday PAUL LANTZ stated that he called HAROID DAHL who advised that if this were not used in the paper he and FRED [PAGE 40] August 19 1947 CRISlJ.AN would see him after lunch LANTZ stated that about noon DAHL and CRISMAN contacted him at which time DAHL stated that he and his son had been exploring a gravel pit on Maury Island and found some strange rock fonnations He stated they picked up some of these samples and that FR.ID CRISMAN later saw them and they went back over to Uaury Island at which time additiona samples were obtained and that CiUSI'.WI sent these to a friend of his at the University of Chicago to have analyzed They stated that they received a report and that apparently this frien.d had asked a newpaperman to find out where the rock formations were obtained CP.IS1tAN and DAHL told LANTZ that sometime after the first flying disc story had appeared they received a tele gram from Trans- Ocean Press from Chicago wanting infomation on the flying disc fragments FRED CRISMAN stated that they had at no ti~e indisat~the rock formations were a part of a flying disc and that Captain 2.1J:~TH and KENNETH P.RNOLD were not interested in the rock fonnat io ns and they denied giving them to SMITH and ARNOW TED H0RRELL0 a United Press fi reman Tacoma ashington furnished substantially the same information that was ob ta ined from PAUL LANTZ the Tacoma Times reporter regarding the anonymous phone calls which he had received He stated further that the first call he received was on Friday August at around 5:30 At this time the cal er stated that the 25 which crashed at Kelso ashington was carrying disc fragments and that the two officers killed were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO"N officers with Ar-my A Intelligence at Hamilton Field and that the fragments were top secret material He stated the caller indicated tha when the Army released the names of the dead officers it would verify that the information he was furnishing was correct 1:0RRELLO stated that the second call he received at approximately 6:45 Friday August at whicq time the caller stated that the 25 was definitely shot down and that if he contacted Anny Intelligence A the man in charge would not deny it M0RRELLO stated he thought the man said to con tact Colonel GUYS but it was found out it was Colonel GR.EDG who was in charge of Anny Intelligence A The caller further stated that the Sheriff Office had been kept away from the crash and that no civilians had been allowed near the plane rORRELLO stated the third call he received at 5:30 August and that this time the caller stated that one of the men who had been conferring with Captain I~TH and r~JEI'H PJ:OID was taken to Alaska that day The caller further stated that the 25 was shot down from the air with a 20 m.m cannon that the l!arine plane found recently on Rainier had also been shot down that Captain ITH would be taken to right Field Tuesday morning and that a United Airlines pilot by the name of HORGAN flew with Captain Sl:ITH when they were shot at over Montana The caller stated he was ieaving for San Francisco encl would be back Tuend'y PAUL LANI'Z and TED ORRELLO both stated that they had made very little effort to question the anonymous caller to obtain his identity as they felt it was useless and that if tney started questioning him he would [PAGE 41] August 19 1947 refuse to furnish any furthe infonnation On August 1947 Special Aeent DAVID A acCULLOCH was contacted in the resident agency office Tacoma ashington by RSI CRISMAN At this time CRISI:AN asked if the 3eattle Office was investigation the crash of the 25 and he was infonned that no investigation was being conducted by the Seattle Office CRI~L\N at this time related in a rambling story that he had picked up some strange rock formations 1ich he had forwarded to a riend of his in the University of Chicago to have analyzed and that later in some manner unknown to him these rock formations had been reported as being frag ments of a flying disc On ugust 1947 FRZD CRIS.MN and ROID DAHL were inter viewed at the Tacoma resident agency office Both DAHL and CRISJAN at first denied any knowledge of how the rock fonnations which they had picked up to have alalyzed became connected with the flying disc stories Both denied making any statement to anyone that these rock formations were portions of a disc fragment It v;as apparent from the start of the interview that DAHL and CRIS'JAN were not telling their complete and true connection with the flying disc story They refused to give any definite infonnation as to what they said or had done which caused them to become involved in a flying disc story but gave evasive answers and repeatedly stated that they had nothing to do with it and were at a loss to understand ho they became connected with the flying disc story After considerable questioning they stated that in the early part of Jun¥they sent to PAU:ER of Ziff Davis Publishing Company which published t~Fantasy magazine in Chicago and the Venture magazine in Evanston Illinois some rock fonnations v,hich they had found on Jaury Island They stated they sent these fonnations asking PAI.LlER to have them analyzed They stated that later PAIUER wrote and asked for more samples advising he had failed to analyze the samples CRIS:1AN and DAHL stated they have never sent any additional samples and that the next they heard regarding the rock formations which they had sent PAillER was when he called HAROLD DAHL and asked if the rock formations could have come from a flying disc DAHL stated he made some remark that they possibly could have come from a flying disc and that he immediately sat down and wrote a letter to PAlliER which was in the latter part of June in v1hich he stated the material could have been portions of a flying disc DAHL claimed that he thought he told PAll!ER over the phone something about being in his boat vihen he obtained these rock formations but stated he could not recall what he had written to PAI.MER and claimed that he passed the whole thing off as a joke CRI~:AN and DAHL were questioned at length in an attempt to obtain specific inforraation as to exactly what each one had done with regard the rock forma tions However each stated that the only thing they had done was tell RAY PAI11ER the formations could have come from a flying disc in vie of the fact it appeared 11 that what he wanted them to say No definite infonnation could be obtained from either DAHL or CRIS:AN as to what each specifically had done to start the ying disc story The signed state:nent which was obtained from CRIS!IAN and [PAGE 42] August 19 1947 DAHL and in which they admitted the rock formations had no connecti on with any flying discs is being forwarded to the Bureau herewith The statement contains no infonnation of value and therefore is not being set forth herein Regarding the meeting which was held in the Winthrop Hotel on Thursday July 31 CRISL'.AN and DAHL stated that they both met KENNETH ARNOLD there about 00 They stated that they all left ARNOLD I room about 00 and that CRISMAN took A:lliOID to Berry Airport at Tacoma and ARNOLD flew his plane to Seattle where he picked up Captain E1!IL S'ITTH CRIS MAN stated that he picked up ARNOID and SMITH at Berry Airport about 5:00 and that HAROLD DAHL came to JRNOID room about 7:00 CRIEMAN stated that he and S'!ITH left about 30 when he drove S:!ITH to Seattle to get his car and thL>t DAHL went home at this time CRIS!!AN stated they returned about 11 30 at which time the Army Int el ligence off i cers were in ARNOID room and that CRISMAN left about midnight He stated that he returned to ARNOID room Friday afternoon for approximately one- half hour from 30 to 00 at which time ARNOLD and SHITH were still there and neither seemed to be able to reca if DAHL was in RNOID room on Friday August The best that could be obtained from CRIS!Wr and DAHL as to what took place in ARNOLI room was to the effect that most of the talk was about flying that no one seemed very interested in the rock fonnations and that they had no connection as far as they knew vd.th any flying disc CRIS~~AN Stated that KZNNEI'H AfNOLD wanted to obtain pictures of the olace where the rock formations ere obtained and that the Ann.y Intelligence officers did not appear to be interested in any manner whatever HAROID DAHL operates the Commercial Lumber Company at 235 Millwater Avenue Tacoma ifashington and FRED CFIS!:AN has recently been working with him buying timber They have also been associated with tJ)e bor Patrol Association at Ta.coma lashington which furnishes patrol and police pro tection to parts of the harbor area which are not patrolled by Tacoma police or Sheriff officers FRED CRIS'...iAN re sides at 12 iloodl and Tacoma ashington Ann.y serial number 758-951 During the wa he was a pilot and it is believed presently holds a Reserve Officer conrnission as a Captain Regarding the 25 which crashed killing Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BBC\'JN of the 4th Aire Forces Captain ROBERT BJORN I NG A Officer l!c Chord Field advised that this investigation of the crash reflected an exhaust stack had burned out on the left engine which in turn caught the left wing afire and tha whe the left wing broke off it also broke off the tail The plane at the time of the crash was carrying Captain DAVIDSON Lieutenant BRm,'N the hitch hiker and a man as Crew Chief to take care of the ai rplane The Crew Chief and the hitch hiker parachuted to safety but Captain DA VID SON and Lieutenant BR<J.JN were killed He stated that their invest i gation reflected no indication of any sabotage whatever A check of the records of the inthrop Hotel at Tacoma ashington revealed that KENNETH ARNOW giving his address as Route l'ount view Drive Boise Idaho rented room 502 from July 30 at 7:43 until [PAGE 43] August 19 1947 August A record of t~'t)hone calls made from room 502 during this period was made by Hiss S~JGBERG This record reveals that KENNEI'H ARNOID on July 31 called PA at AN 5200 Evanston I linois col ect On the same date called Lieutenant BRO~'N at 5800 Hamilton Field Cal i fo nia collect ARNOW also called 0109- in Boise I daho on July On August ARNOID called LON 4936 Portland PALMER at Dearborn 5200 Chicago and SJITH called RODDY at Dearborn 2323 at Chicago Both Chicago call were collect The remainder of the calls appear to be personal calls and are not being set out A record of the phone calls made are being retained as an exhibit i the Seattle Office The following informatio was obtained by Special Agent PIERRE LEVEC in interview on August 12 1947 with Captain FlrIL SMITH 3027 Hest Laurehurst Drive United Airlines pilot It should be noted that Captain SMITH has pr eviously received publicity for having supposedly seen flying discs or similar objects on July last while on a routine United Air lines flight out of Boise Idaho in company with his co- pilot &'.I.Pf'rjSTEV?J1S concerning this incident Captain a'.:ITH states that they took off from Boise Idaho at 12 and headed Northwest at 300 deg~ees and while still climbing at 000 feet co- pilot STEVEMS called his attention to some objects in the sky ahead of them about ten degre es left which neither one could identify &ITH states that he called a CAA radio operator at Ontario Oregon and reques ted him to step outside his radio shack and see if he could see any of these objects overhead The CAA radio operator replied in the negative Captain ITH states that he first met K'E!mETH ARNOLD on July in the offices of the Seattle Post Intelligencer where both were being interviewed concerning their sighting of flying discs S::I'IH states that he next met AFJTOLD about three weeks ago in Boise Idaho at which time he TiITH was on another fligh through Boise Idaho and had a ten mip~t,e lay-over there On this occasion 1:!'1 was in company of Captain 1:LLI~r -D.\VIDSON and Lieutenant RANK o.m Army Intelligence officers and a reporter JOHNSON of the Boise Statesman S:~ITH next contact with ARNOLD was on Thursday July 31 last when he received a telephone call from APJ-TOLD calling from Tacoma in the early afternoon at which time he asked S.:ITH to come over to Tacoma and join him as he as investigating a flying disc story for 11 someone back East and some fragments v,ere involved which SHITH might be inter estec in seeing After some discussion 1.:IT:-I agreed to join ARNOLD in Tacoma and AR!JOLD told SMITH he would fly over and pick him up at Boeing Airport at 00 SHITH met RNOLD at Boeing Field at about 4:00 and they flew to Berry tdrport at Tacoma fashington where they were met by FRED C~IStf,.AN The three of tha proceeded in CRIS car to the inthrop Hotel where ARNOID was occupying room 502 AhNOLD rdered something to eat and during this time either ARNOID or CRIS:.'..'\N called a HAROID D.1\HL and invited him up to the room By this time S:~ITH states he had learned from ARUOLD that CRISMAN and DAHL were the parti cipants in the latest flying disc story and SHITH states that he had no previous acquaintance with either of these men before meeting them in Tacoma on this date fuile in the Hotel Room Rt:OLD sbov,ed S:ITTH a letter which he had received from RAYMOND L.ViER of the Venture Press of Chicago requesting that ARNOID investigate [PAGE 44] August 19 1947 the CPISZ.!AN DAHL story in Tacoma A'lliOID informed S:ITH at this time that after receiving this letter he had called PAL2::R by telephone in Chicago as a result of which cal PALMER had forwarded him 200 00 expense money for covering the story Shortly thereafter at about YJ HAROLD n~HL arrived at the Hotel room and the discuss i oh began among the four men present as to what DAHL and CRISllAN had seen on Maury Isla nd DAHL professed relu tance to tell the story claiming that several unfortunate incidents had occurred subsequent to his seeing the flying discs and he believed the entire incident had brought him bad luck In this connection he stated that four or five days subsequent to his sighting the flying discs a man called at his home and had a conversation with him the course of which DAHL was warned to forget all about everything he had seen on or near kaury Island In addition to that DAHL stated that his sixteen year old son had run away from home following the incident and had been picked up by the police somewhere in Montana After some further discussio DAH finally agreed to te ll hi story of the flying disc incident in front of SUITH after eliciting a promise from SttITH that he would not discuss the matter for at least two weeks It should be noted that DAHL had previously told his story to A:'..NOLD and GRISHAN At this point DPJ!L related the incident which has already been described and which he alleged had taken place on or about June 23 or 24 hile relating the incident DAHL mentioned that he had taken pictures of he fl,ying disc vhich he had seen but that the printed films were marred with vhite spots hen DAHL had concluded his sto ry CRimiAN related that he had gone the fo lowing day to faury Island to verify what DAHL had told him concerning the fragments and had at this time picked up several fragments and taken them with him At this time CRISMAN related that he also saw one of the flying discs hovering over the Isl:and but that it had disappeared into a cloud ben DAHL and GP.IS.IAN had finished telling their story ARNOLD told the group that he had earlie in that evening called Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROfl Army Intelligence officers and that they vrere on their way to the Hotel room At this point DAHL protested that he did not wish to tell his story before anyone else and he was advised by ITH that if such was the case why didn he just leave and not be there when they arrived CRISUAN DAHL and UITH then left the room and went downstairs DAHL departed alone CRIS'!'!AN drove SllITH back to Boeing Field near Seattle where &.'ITH desired to pick up his own personal car which he did They then returned to the Hotel where they found Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO.IN in room 502 with KZNNETH P.NOID ARNOLD met them at the door and seemed excited explaining to S!~ITH that Captain DAVIDSON had just drawn a reproduction of a freak disc which had supposedly been seen by a woman in Arizona and that this drawing was an exact reproduction of the flying disc which he ARNOLD had seen several weeks before nearing lft Rainier SBTH states that shor tly after this c:.n~rAN seemed very anxious to tell his and DIBL story to the Anny offi cers Before this was done however s..aTII had a discussion with Lieutenant BROdN infonning him that they had promised DAHL not to release the story for t,,o weeks and that if CRIS!lAN were allowed to tell the story at this time Bno and DAVIDSON must agree not to release the story for one month Following this agreement CPISUAN related D.JfL I and tis story of the flying discs over fa.ury [PAGE 45] August 19 1947 Island to BRC;'?T and DAUIDSON Following this recitation Lieutenant BR071N in ans,,er to a query from TB said that he and aptain VIDS0flT were of the opinion that there might be some truth in the current flying disc stories but that their immediate superiors presumably A at Hamilton Field did not agree with them BRCt and DAVIDSON then held a brief discussion as to whether they should return that same night to Hamilton Field and they decided that they would All five of the men then went down to the lobby where BRO.,N detached himself from the group and entered a phone booth to call for a car from cChord Field SMITH also left the group and met BRO\'IN outside the phone booth llhere they held a short discussion relative to the credibility of CRIS and DAHL I story B::10 IN indicated to Sl ITH that he should attemt to find out if the story was on the level and that BRO.m 1r1ould call him the following day regarding this matter The group then proceeded to the front of the Hotel at which time CRISI.f.AN brought his car to the front of the Hotel and took from his trunk a box of the alleged flying disc fra~ents picked up on 1-:aury Island He offered them to BRO i'N and DAVIDSON and when the Army car arrived from 1.::cChord Field the box of fragments was placed in the car vlith the officers CFis:.i.AN departed alone and 1JUiC LD and ITH went in search of something to eat and later returned to the Hotel for the night On Friday morning August 1947 ARr0ID received a call from GRISHAN informing him that a 25 had crashed during the night and it was believed to be the same plane which BR0i-iN and DAVIDSON were flying Following this call CRISUAN and DAHL came to the Hotel room and from the room CPI:1.fAfJ again called Mc Chord Field in an attempt to get infonnation about the crash S!!ITH took the phone from CRISMAN and spoke to a Colonel GR.EX;G identifying himself and asking if the 25 which crashed was the only one which had taken off from HcChord Field the previous night GR.EriG told him that it was Follow ing this call JcNOI.D called RAY-LIO.ND PAD!ER in Chicago and informed him of the previous night conversations and the fact that D.1-l.VIDSON and BRO.IN were believed to have been killed PAL..!ER told ARNOID to discontinue his investigation of the incident and that he PAll~R was no longer interested SMITH then took the phone from ARNOLD and asked PAll.:ER if he could shed any light on the situation S~ITH was unable to sa.y what PAll1ER reply to CRISl,!AN was Fol lowing these telephone discussions a:ITH says that he called 1AURICE Ji;JPJDY whom he identifies as a personal friend of his and an aviation editor or"the Chicago Times ITH states that he had prefiously made an agreement with RODDY in Chicago that should he ever run across any flying disc stories which showed promise of news value that he would contact RODDY and this call was a result of that agreement Shortly afterward Colonel GRF.GG called him from McCrord Field stating that Hamilton Field had requested that ARN0 ID S:~ITH CR I SMAN and DAHL submit their addresses to Hamilton Field for convenience of any Army investigation of the incident which may be forthcomine After this call the four men went to a restaurant for lunch During the course of this meal s:.:ITH excused himself from the table and attempted to call SAC BOBBITT of the Port land Field Office Federal Bureau of Investigation with vhom he claims acquain tance BOBBITT however was unavailable and S>:ITTH was unable to complete the 10 [PAGE 46] August 19 1947 call After returning to the Hotel room a Tacoma Times reporter called attempting to gain information but they did not give him any Later a OPJBILO of the United Press called and ITH spoke to him on the telephone but refused to give out any infonnation s:rITH further relates that while the four men were in the room at this t~~e an envelope was shoved under the door and that he retrieved it from the floor s.J:ITH states that the appearance of this envelope seemed to startle CPIS?.!AN considerably and tbat in fact CRIS:UiN turned white as a sheet until s:;ITH read the note unsigned hich was a commu nication to the Hotel advising that a strike of Hotel employees was eminent and that guests should not expect room and telephone service much longer Shortly after this incident DAHL and CRI~U~N left the Hotel room after promising to take f.fu'JCLD and S''ITH to aury Island the following morning Saturday ARNOW and SiITTII then went out for dinner and on their return ruITH found a note in the box requesting him to call a certain telephone number Pe did this from the Lotel room and was answered by LANTZ Tacoma Times reporter who requested SMITH to go out and call him from a ay station SUI'rH comp ained and was informed by NTZ that two anonymous telephone calls had been received by him that a discussion regarding flying discs had been taking place in room 502 at the finthrop Hotel which involved nny Intelligence officers From the information which LANTZ had received s::ITI-i was convinced that the anonymous caller must have been present at the discussion also as L.i\NT was seemingly in possession of pertinent remarks which had been made in the room S!.ITTH states that he did not give L.NTZ any further information and that in conclu sion of the call he returned to the Hotel room and he and ARNOID retired for the night On Saturday morning august 1947 IITH redeived a tele phone call from UFICE RODDY in Chicago but l,as unable to give him any further infonnation en ITH advised him ho,·1ever that he would call him back at 2:30 that afternoon DAHL then called from a coffee shop nearby and ARr'OID and S!.:ITH joined DA!'L CRI.51.!AN and an unknovm man in the Coffee Shop for breakfast The unknown person was discussing some lumber business with DAHL and left after breakfast On leaving the coffee shop S:lITH asked D;J-IL about the negatives of the photographs wrich he claimed to have taken of the flying discs DAHL said the negatives were in the glove compartment of his car but a search of the instant elove compartment was fruitless The four then pro ceeded in CRIS:.!AN car to the dock where they were to embark for Haury Island The boat however could not be started and the trip was postponed until later in the day hile at the dock however s:lITH asked to be shown the damage to the boat which had allegedly occurred when the fragments showered dovm on ra.ury Island CRIS1:Af pointed out what may have been repairs to the windshield and lights on the boat but S!.!ITH was not personally sa isfied that these repairs were made as a result of any such incident C1Is.>:AN and DAHL then drove APr,rom and IITH back to the Hotel at approximately 10:45 A and CRISiiAN told them he would call them later on and that they would go to aury Island On return ing to the Hotel S:lITH called LA'JTZ at the Tacoma Times as a result of llhich call he and ARNOLD met L\NTZ at th.e Coffee Shop across the street from the 11 [PAGE 47] August 19 1947 inthrop Hotel S:'ITH stated that the purpose of this meeting was to try to find out something more about the anonymous phone calls which LNTZ had told him about He and ARNOID still refused to give out any further information regarding the Thursday evening conference to Lil:TZ and were infonned by LANTZ that the Tacoma Times was afraid of being scooped on the story and was going to print something on that day tTH and AR~TOJ.D then returned to the Hotel and shortly thereafter received a phone call from CRIS!fAN but the call was cut off by the switchboard operator since it was not an ekergency call SJITH and ARNOID hen returned to the Hote lobby where they found a telegram from DAHL asking them to call him at either Broadway or Proctor 7733 g!ITH is not ur of the exchange TH called t~is number but DAHL was not there si,rrTH states that he went then to the estern Union Telegraph Office and dispatched a collect telegram to 1-.URICE RODDY at the Chicago Times -which contained a brief resume of the incidents which had occurred and which requested RODDY to wire s:rrTH a telephone number where RODDY could be reached after 6:00 Si.ITTH states that he has never received an answer to that wire Following this ITH states that he and ARNOID that he and ARNOLD were sitting in the lobby of the Olympic Hotel when IJ.!ITZ entered and gave them each a copy of the latest edition of the Tacoma Ti~es which contained a story hinting at sabotage in the crash of the Anny 25 which killed Captain DAVIDSON and Ll.eutenant BRQ;;N S:"ITH stated that he and APJ- 0LD continued to occupy seats in the Hotel lobby most of the afternoon inasmuch as they were unable to receive calls in the Hotel room due to the Hotel employees stri~e He relates that he received a call in the late afternoon from L..NTZ advising him to call LU:TZ that evening at 30 as ITZ ha.d further information regarding the anonymous calls s.:ITH also received a telegram requesting that he call Boise 6000 which he did and found that it was JOHNSON of the Boise Statesman He refused to eive JOHNSON any further information at this time However sho tly thereafter JOHNSON called from Boise and advised S:JITR that the Anny had released a story through Brigadier Genera SHRAM revealing the confidential assignment rhich BRO lJ and DAVIDSON had been engaged on In view of this release JOHNSON requested S:!ITH to answer one question for him which was 11 1ere they carrying any alleged disc fragments on the plane 11 and ITH answered Yes they were Following this S'~TH caJ led Li.UITZ as per his earlier request and was infonned that MORR.ELLO of the Uni ed Press had received another anonymous phone call at 1hich time 11 the voice 11 said that the Army 25 carrying Captain D.tiVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO had been shot down with 20 m.m shells and that the arine plane found on Ra'.inier had also been shot down with 20 m.m shells The voice went on to state that S!.rITH would be called back to right Field on Tuesday hen vRRELLO asked why he was giving out this information the caller replied that it was not for the benei'it of the newspapers but that he was interested in seeing that the information got back to New Jersey The voice also infonned PORREU.O at this time that one of the two persons who had been talking to ARNOLD and S'illTH had now left for Alaska As a result of t'.is latter bit of information S~ITH decided to find out if CR I SMAN or D.nHL had left town He located DAHL at the Sunset Theatre and D1\HL came to the Hotel and met £.8:TH and ARNOLD They v1ere unable to locate CRISMAN by phone and DAHL left saying that he would try to find out where CFIS!.1AN was and that he would call them tomorrow Sunday and that they vwuld go out to Maury Island at that time After DAHL left 12 [PAGE 48] August 19 1947 S..!ITH and ARNOID went to the Tacoma Times Office where a reporter met them and took them to ORRELLO in the United Press Office There they read the latest press releases and had a discussion with ORR.E LLO regarding the anony mous phone calls In the course of this discussion 1iORRELI..O mentioned the name of fajor GEORGE 3ANDERS Public Relations Officer at cChord Field as being one of the officers interested in the investigation Following this discussion with VORRELLO at which time S'.ITH states they still refused to divulge any further information ITH and ARNOID returned to the Hotel for the night On Sunday morning August 1947 DAHL aupeared at the Hotel room and told them that he had received a letter from CRISMAN which said in effect 11 Take care of my business 11 be out of town for three or four days 11 DAHL had a letter with him but he did not show it to S..ITH or ARlJOLD The three men then drove to DAHL secretary house in South Tacoma and picked her up and the four of them then went to breakfast on the South Tacana highway lhile the four of them then went to breakfast SMITH excused himself and called fo.jor SANDERS at u!cChord Field and arranged an appointment to meet him at the Hotel lobby at 11:00 A They then took DAHL secretary to her home where DAHL picked up a typewriter and then drove Si.ITH and ARNOLD back to the Hotel They asked him if he was going to take them to l~aury Island that day and he replied that he was not He further stated that he was sick of the entire business and that if he was ever contacted by the Army or the authorities he was going to deny ever having seen anything and cl aim to be 11 the biggest liar that ever lived Shortly after returni ng to the Hotel S!.Tl'H met Hajor SANDERS in the lobby and they went in CTTH I car to a coffee shop in South Tacoma here s:.iITH proceeded to tell ajor S..-.!TI)ERS the entire story of the incidents which had occurred in Tacoma regarding the CRISl.:AN and DAHL story since Thursday afternoon Following this S!HTH took fajor SA.'IDERS back to the Hotel and intro duced him to ARITOID and suggested to RNOI.D that he also tell Major SAI'!JERS the entire story of what had occurred ARNOID did so fajor SANDERS after looking at the fragJnents hich were still in the room suggested that they drive out to the Smelter near Tacoma as he believed the slag at the Smelter would bear a distinct resemblance to these fra&nents The three nen then drove to the melter and t'1e slag was noted to be definitely si lar to the fra gments ri cl-J CRISMA and DAHL had left in the Hotel room They then r~turned to the Hotel room and ajar SANDERS left them After packing their bags S''ITH took JdJJOID to Berry I Airport where his plane was parked and then S:ITTH drove himself back to Seattle About an hour after his arrival in Seattle which was approximately 7:30 LANTZ of the Tacoma Times appeared at S::IT'T's home with the newspaper containing the ssoc iated Press story which had originated in Boise Idaho in the ooise Statesman and which was written by JOHNSON following ITH admission to him that fragments had been carried by Lieutenant BRC and Captain DAVIDJON on the fatal 25 flight o"TTH at this time continued to refuse to give any statements for the Press and told L.~.TZ that he had placed 13 [PAGE 49] August 19 1947 all of his infor.nation in the hands of the Army $'£.ITH stated that a couple of days later he called iajo S~NDERd at cChord Field and asked him if there was any recent information concerning the incident a!ITH states that fajor SMTOERS infonned him that CRISJA}T had not yet been contacted but that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was setting a trap for him S'ITH further advises that on Friday August 1947 he appeared before Lawyer JOHN NOLAN at the County-City Building Seattle and made a deposition of the facts relating to the incidents in Tacoma from l'hursday afternoon July 31 last until Sunday morning August last A copy of this deposition is now in possession of the writer and is being forwarded herewith to the Bureau It should be noted that this deposition is in no way as complete as the statement taken by the writer above and any setting out of this deposition in this communication would be superfluous Copies of this communication are being sent to the Butte Portland San Francisco and Chicago Offices for their infonnation only Unless advised by the Bureau to the contrary instant investigation is considered closed by this office For the infonnation of the Bureau Captain BJ ORNING Intelligence Officer cChord Field Ft Lewis ashington advised at the weekly O.P I I I Intelligence conference that the Public Relati ons Officer at McChord Field had received a telephone call from an individual at Army Air Forces Headquarters at ashington during wh.ich call the Public Relations Officer was requested to obtain a signed statement from DAHL and CRIS?'iAN which could be published and thus publicly close the matter Captain BJCRNING further related that he had no additiona information in this matter and that he did not handle it Very truly yours £et Special harge ENCLOSURES DAM;PHL 1:EK 100-18945 CC Bu tte Portland San Francisco Chicago 14 [PAGE 50] su\.t ¢0\JO I [PAGE 51] cf dJ)t:4 August ti l<:14 I:uffi<,L A D.ri.HL and FRED C.rlL i mal~e the follor;rn f'oluntary st teront to L.-1.VID AC LLtel of the Feder Bureau 01 I ves tigation I he eii ar une i 1icked up some strange rock iations fro a gravel pit on lli8ury I sland 11 ashington sent a box cigar of these fragments to RAY PAili.lER of enture kagazine Evanston I llinois to have it ana yzed Later P.AIMER wrote and asked for ad itional samples stating that he had failed to have them analyzed Around the later purt of une a few days af er the first disc stories star ed AIMER con acted us by phone He told us not to tell the news papers a:iout the agments and he would pay for an exclusive story if the fragments could be fr om a ying disc One of us to hi the fragr.ients could have been from a flying dis us after our phone conversat i on HAROLD DAHL wrote a etter to RAY PALMER setting out some notes et regarding the fragments and indi ating hey cou have come from flying discs The next thing we heard was about the fi st of ly when v1e got a Tr ans Oce an Press tel egr am fr om hi cago asking lmll:t about these flying disc gra gmen We to them gor get he en tire ma te The next we heard of these fr agments was when we were alled by KENNETH ARNOLD to meet wt.th him in the Win hr op ote on lll uly 31 194 We ol hin exactly how v;e had found the aements and had forwarded em to A.llll!R to be a nal yzed The above is the entire and true story as regards our connection with the flying disc orie etc ri ginated over the ore samples wh i ch we sent to be analyzed If ifr [PAGE 52] STATE OF ASHlNG'l'ON ss COUNTY OF JU?G J.E SMITH being firs duly sworn on oath deposes aiid says Thi ls a narrative statement as to what took place Tacoma i'rom Thursday July 31 until Sunday August Thursday I received a telephone call trom Tacoma trom a Ke.nn.eth Arnold The gist ot this conversation was that he thought it wou1d be a good idea tor me to come to Tacom14 and listen to the story of t.wo 11e.n whose names were Fred Crismon and Harold Dahl This Ke.nneth Arnold I had met two times previous o~oe on Juiy a the ottl ot the I in Seattl.e tor a very brief time and the second time in Boise Idaho Y&en I was passing through on one ot my trips In this conversation with Arnold on tb.e phone I made the atement th at it v1ould be impossible tor me to go over to Tacoma due to 11J3 going out to Salt Lake City the next morning He said that he would tly over trom Tacoma a nd pick me up at Boeing Field I agreed to this proposition trom Arnold At o•olock I met Arnold at the Boei.ng Field and we tlew back and landed at Barry•s Airport were picked up at the airport by lrred Crismon who drove the two ot us into the inthrop Hotel went up to Room 502 Crismon Arnold and myself red Crismon put a telepbo_ne call into Harold Dah.l and asked him would be come up to the room A half hour later Harold Dahl made his appearanoe At tb.is ime there were tour men in the room Crismon Dahl Arnold and myselt Ur Arnold asked Mr Dahl to relate his story as to hat took place on June 24 Ur Dahl was very hesitant about telling the story to me Arnold and llr Crismon were already aware ot the statements that Dahl had made previous Mr Dahl made the statement to me th a it any statements he ould make rel a tive to h1.s story it I oold keep it confident1a1 for two weeks that he felt definitely that I ould ant to forget the whole thl.ng I made the statement to Mr Dahl that as tar as I was concerned I woold keep any statements he made to me oonfldential tor at least two weeks Here is Dahl story On June 24 this date to be checked later he was ln a boat ow ned by Fred Crismon who owns the Harbor Patrol in Tacoma They Ltr Dahl a Kr Knight and Hr Dahl's son age 16 were cruising around Maury Island looking for logs that had broken away trom booms They were tairly close to shore of Maury Island when they saw four or five obj cts the sky a an altitude ot approximately 1500 feet He said tb.ese objects were [PAGE 53] Page 100 fee diameter cir ular in shape a.Ad it appeared that there was a hoJ..e in the center ot each as he could see the sky through this hole He al.so mentioned that on the inside ot the circle or the hole portholes were visible Their speed was negligible as tne1 appeared to hover over a give11 spot One ot these objects appeared to be in trouble Another object came over and appeared to make contact Attar making this oon tact tor approximately two minu~es it rose to its original position At this time the obj eot that appeared to be in trouble seemed to throw a lot ot debris from one ot the portholes Those objects then disappeared trom view Some or this debris that landed broke the wheelhouse of the boat the spotlight and th.o kl:axo.o Yh.ilo this dobris t:a 1'nll1ng 03- boy nd Jr Knight got ott the boat and h!d under some logs This debris that tell killed our dog and a sea gull I asked Ur Dahl what was done with the dog He ma.de the statement they threw the dog into the water This story was told to Ir Crismon who the next day went out to this Island to check on this story He verified the taot ot the damage to the boat also to the fact that there appeared to be quite a tev pieces ot ai.ther rock or metal on the shore Ur Crismon also stated th at while he was over there investigating on Maury Island b.e also saw a disk This disk was of the same sha,Pe and contour as the objects explained by Mr Dahl At this point Kr Arnold clarified for me as to the reasons he as 1.11vest1gat1.ng this story Jlr Arnold stated that he reoo!ved a let er from a Ur Raymond Palm.er supposedly editor or the Venture Press Bvanston Illinois The gist of this letter was that Ur Palmer received a l.etter from Mr Dahl and J!r Crismon also a package ot these tragments that iere tound on Maury Island Kr Pal.mer also made the state:nent the letter that the Chicago University tailed to ana.J..yze these tragcients and that would Ur Arnold please investigate the story lb Arnold was sent a estern Union check tor $200 00 to take care of any expense that he might incur while making this investigation Mr Arnold had made a telephone call to Hamilton ield to contact a Captain Davidson and a Lieutenant Brown who were with Intelligence at Harnflt on 71eld asking them would they make a trip to Tacol,'0.8 to also listen to this story of Dahl and Crismon When Mr Arnold acquainted me with the fact that he had made this phone oall in front ot Mr Dahl llr Dahl made the statement that he would not tell this story to anybody in Army Intelligence I mo.de the sta ement to llr Dahl that it he felt this way that he should not be ln the room when these two Intelligence offioors arrived Mr Dahl thought this was an excellent idea [PAGE 54] Page 11r Dahl Ur Crismon and myself lett the hotel room to go downstairs as Kr Crismon wanted to get some metal th.at ms in the baok ot his car that be had picked up on llaury Island to bring back to the hotel room Mr Harold Dahl departed At this time I mde tho statement to llr Crismon that I sb.ould like to pick up my oar in Seattle llr Crismon drove me to Boel,Qg Fie ld Sea tle At er eaving me at Boeing J'iel he dro ve baok to Tacoma and I drove my onn car back to Tacoma After I bad put my oar in tb.e garago at Tacoma I went up to the lnthrop Hotel and i.n the room at that time was Mr Arnold Jlr Crlsmo.o and Captain Davidson trO!!J ArI1J3 Intelligence Lieutenant Brown was downataue getting sandwiches and coftee hen Lieut Brown came back the stories were again related and Lieut Bron made a statement that all the facts or theso stories ould be hold in strictest colU"idence until released by llr Dahl Atter Mr Crinmon had told all the facts relating not only his own story but that at Mr Dahl he asked tor the opinio of both oftioers as to what they t.hought Lieut Brown made the statement that he would like to obtain some ot these fragme..o.ts to take back to Hamilton field At this time capt Davidson and Lieut Brown were debatl.ag the thought as to whether to stay over night in Tacoma or leave for Hamilton ield immediat ely as the B-25 they were nying was supposed to be at Hamilton Field the next day for the Air Show The five ot us then lett the hotel room and went down to the hot el l.obb,- where Mr Brown made a telephone cal.l to JJcChoi--d P'leld asking them to aoo.d a driver to pick up Capt Davidson and himselt Lieut Brown came up to me and made the statement that he and capt Davidson wero going baok to Hamil ton Field and that he would get in tQuoh with me tomorrow and if a.ttor I had seen the tragm.ants on Yaury Island- I th.ought my QWn mind that this was authentic they would lmmecllate-1y leave llWllilto.n l1'1old an.d return I was to hold th1s statement by Lieut Br0\1n ln the trictest ot oontidenoe from the other group ot three Dahl Crismon and Arnold then we.nt down to the street where Mr Crismon drove his car up in ron.t and took out a box ot fragmon~s an.d gave this box to Davidson and Brown hile waiting for the driver from UcChord Field Lieu Brown and I discussed Paol~ic operatlo.na and ings not er taining to this misoio.n Capt Davidson and Lieut Brown departed at approxilnately 12:45 A J.tr Arnold an.d I went back to our hotel room atter having a midnight snack [PAGE 55] Page P'.r1day the st At approximately c1ock t..he morning Mr Crismon oalled up our hotel room and acquainted us with the tact that the 2.5 had crashed A lso th at he had called oChord 1'1eld and from intormation he received also verified the taot that the wo men in the ship were Cs.pt Davidson and Lieut Brown lus a f1lght engineer and a hitch-hi ker This left both Mr Arnold and myself ln a very bad sta(;e of concern App roximate- ly an hour later Mr Crismon and Mr Dahl made their appearanoe in the hotel rocn I still wasn't sure hnt this as the same B-25 that the two Intelligence ottioers had left in last night Yr Crismon then again called cChord Field and talked to a Colonel Gregg and the tact was verified again th a the two pilots were Davidson and Brown Atter an hour or so Yr Crismon and Ur Dahl le!'t the hotel room with a lan in mind ot the tour of us meeting the next morning Saturday tor breaktast and going out to Maury Island That evening Friday there was a message tor me to call this part1oular tel-ephone number that as on the message I called this number and was asked by the party to pl ease call thEm from a pa,ystatlon This party was a Mr Lantz a reporter on the Ta coma Tim.es He told me I most certainl1 am doing myself out of a good story but I thought you ought to know that somebody has been oalllng this paper and giving us a bloa-b1•blow description ot all that bas taken place your roan since you arrived To verily this 11.r Lantz repeated back to me discussions th at I felt had only been taking pla ce our room Mr Lantz also made the statement th at there was a leak ei her tram he switchboard operator or our room had been tapped I asked Ur Lantz why he was tipping us otf ith this infonnation He made the statement that he dld.Jl't mind doing this if in return that any l.ntonnation that I may let out woul.d be given to him Atter this conversation with Mr Lantz I went back to our room and told Ur Arnold mat took plac on the telepho•e Saturday morning Mr Arnold and I met Mr Dahl and Fred Crismon tor breaJd'ast then drove out to the boat to go to the island The boat as unserviceable at the time so we went baok to the hotel Ur Crismon said that he would call later on in the day and let us know wh en the boat ould be repaired That was the last time I saw Ur Crismon Approximately 11 o'clock Sa turday mo rning Mr Crismon phoned me and made the statement it would be impossible for him to keep this appointment ith me le were cut off by the switchboard opera or as this las classified as not an Emergency oall The reason we were cut ott as due to a strl~e in all the Tacoma hotels [PAGE 56] Page 1/5 llr Lantz called up and said it I would call him at 8:30 that evening he would have some additional inform a tion for me I called Mr Lantz at 8:JO that evening lle told me that this anonsmous caller bad again called a Mr Marlllo of the United Press and said that one ot the parties th a Mr Arnqld a nd I had 0-ome down to see as tlown to Alaska Al.so he nade the state ment Mr Smith would be called to lrlght 1eld Tuesday Th!a anonymous ealler made the statement to Mr Jarlllo that this B-25 was sb.ot down Ur Uarlllo asked this person calling wha h1s interest as This anonymous caller made a stf:}tement n't think I am doing it tor the newspapers All I am intere ted ln ls seeing that ls j.ntormatlon ets back to New ersey Attar I tinished the conversation ith Lantz I went over to the United Press and talked with Mr arillo and bad him read baok to me the conversations that he had had 1th this anonyc:ous caller But no opinions at this time were voiced either by me or Mr Marilla Bunday morn!Jlg I called a I.Jajor Sa.a.der ot 8-2 MeChord Pield and asked him to meet me at the inthrop Hotel at 11 o•clock I met this Ce.jor Sander at 11 o'clock and we drove to a small cottee shop on the Tacoma Highway where this complete story was related to him by me le then drove back to the lnthrop Hotel where f.!ajor Sander was introduced to Mr Arnold by me 0.Jld again listened to Mr Arnold's story Mr Arnold and I departed trom the inthrop Hotel Sunday afternoon at approximately 4:30 This is to certify th at the toregoing statement was taken before me a notary public that prior to making said statement the witness as tiret sworn to tell tlle hole trut and nothing but the truth that the statement as then reduced to riting and signed by on the day or August 1947 IN ITNESS 11iEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and official seal the day and year last above written Notary Public In and for the state or aahington residing at eattle [PAGE 57] [PAGE 58] Affidavit of EUIL SMITH Re FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY FRED R:::::bMAN and HAqOID A DAHL Tacoma ashington SM [PAGE 59] Signed vtatemert of Fred Crism and Harol Dahl Re FLYITG DISS IGHTED BY FRED CRIS AN and ROLD J~HL Tac om a ashing ton Sll [PAGE 60] STAN04'RD FORM NO 04 I Office mo randum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT cl DATE TO Director FBI AIR KAIL FROM SAC San Fo cisco SUBJECT PORl'S OF FLYING DISCS There are being tranamitted herewith to the Bureau photostatic oopies of three reports received from Lieutenant Colonel DON.AI.,0,-M>RINGER Fourth Air Foroe Hamilton Field California involving reported aightings ot flying disoe The Los Angeles Offioe is being furnished with a photostatio copy ot the report ot Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER dated August 18 1947 concerning the investigation conducted at the Muroo Flight Test Base Jluroo California The Butte Office ia being furnished with a photostatic copy ot the report of Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER dated August 20 1947 which sets forth a letter received from Mr J4"'1tADDEN Division Pl&.¢ Engineer Paoif'io Telephone and Telegraph Company Helena Montana Thia office ia maintaining contact with Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER and will furnish the Bu"au with a subsequent report from him concerning the ob servations ot Mr RAY A.,.ewlTZER Sacramento California who has reported certain observations wbiob he believes may involve a flying disc at Plaoen-ille California on August 14 1947 HMKaEMB Enolo•ur co Los Angeles with enolosUN Butte with enclosure 3J'Jf- lJ August 26 1947 nea [PAGE 61] [PAGE 62] [PAGE 63] fr;~~-- i1c -·-·!it Ef i I J;.·t fr [PAGE 64] STATS OF CALIFORNIA [PAGE 65] [PAGE 66] [PAGE 67] [PAGE 68] [PAGE 69] [PAGE 70] [PAGE 71] [PAGE 72] [PAGE 73] [PAGE 74] [PAGE 75] [PAGE 76] [PAGE 77] NO Office Memorandum uNITEn sTATEs GovERNMENT TO DIRECTOR DATE -15- I FROM SAC Sa Francisco SUB ECT REPO RTS olir.n DISCS Reference is made to my letter dated August 26 1947 Enclosed is a copy of a letter dated September 1947 from Lt Colonel DONALD SPRE GER of with a memorandum prepared by BRYDEN MOON 4th Air Force CIC on AU§Ust 20 1947 and August 26 1947 The memorandum contains information regarding obse rvations of RAY A SWITZER of Sacramen to California Also enclosed is a letter dated Septe ber 947 from Colonel PR GER with attac ment dated September 947 For the i nformation of the Bureau KEllNETH ARN LD of Boise Idaho who has been repeatedl interviewed in this matt er by has expressed his intention to of selling for publ ication his detailed account of hi investigation of flying discs 62- 2938 DWK REOOBDED CT2 1947 [PAGE 78] [PAGE 79] [PAGE 80] [PAGE 81] [PAGE 82] [PAGE 83] [PAGE 84] [PAGE 85] i FBI BUTTE 4cTOR FBI 5-50 PM 15-47 VGW URGENT FLYING DISCS ON INSTANT l.lM£•nxx DATE COMMISSIONER AND EX SHERIFF TWIN FALLS IDAHO AND BROWN IDAHO STATE WAREHOUSE INSPECTOR SAME COMMUNITY ADVISED THAT ON WEDNESDAY MORNING AUGUST THIRTEEN LAST AT APPROXIMATELY NINE THIRTY AM WHILE FISHING IN RIVER APPROXIMATELY FORTY MILES SOUTHWEST OF TWIN FALLS IDAHO IN ISOLATED COUNTRY THEY SAW TWO OBJECTS FLYING THROUGH AIR AT GREAT HEIGHT WHICH kl!ftttrtXXX APPEARED TO BE DISCS AND AT SAME TIME HEARD ROAR SIMILAR TO NOISE CREATED BY MOTOR TRUCK INFORMANTS ADVISED OBJECTS MOVING VERY RAPIDLY THAT THEY EACH APPEARED TO BE APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN DIAMETER OBJECTS QUICKLY DISAPPEARED FROM SIGHT AND HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE NO FURTHER DESC THESE OBJECTS PRESENTLY AVAILABLE FURTHER INVESTIGATION i CONDUCTED BY THIS DIVISION PURSUANT TO BUREAU BULLETIN Jt(l~TY TWO SUB DIVISION DATED JULY THIRTY NINETEEN BUR}AU ILL BE PROMPTLY INFORMED CF ALL PERTINENT DEV'E~f BANISTE r<Jo LJ END i I HOLD PLS 7•54 PM OK FBI WA BW AL W~AWKINS [PAGE 86] I IG Lt It I II 19 i'O JG A i'fRNt.,i ScCi.Jf?r [PAGE 87] STANDARD FOAM NO 114 I UNITED Office Men"C/r tdum GOVER NMENT TO DIRECTOR FBI DATE August 28 We SAC SAN FRANCISCO CT REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS ATTENTION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR LADD On August 27 1947 Lt Colonel DONALD SPRINGER Fourth Air Force Hamilton Field California advised that the Area Intelligence Require ments Division Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff Headquarters re quested that one WILLIA»-fmOADS of Phoenix Arizona be completely inter viewed in connection with a report that he had seen on July 1947 what he believed were flying discs RHOADS is supposed to have taken several pic tures of the discs with a 620 Box Camera A previous report of this reported sighting of flying discs was forwarded the Bureau on August 1947 Colonel SPRINGER has advised that GEORGE FUGATE Jr an intelligence agent of stationed at Long Bach Ca ifornia would arrive in Phoenix Arizona on or about September 1947 and would be instructed to contact the Phoenix Field Division Office In accordance with Bureau Bulle tin No 42 Series 1947 it is felt that an agent from the Phoenix Field Division should interview WILLIAM RHOADS at 4333 North 14th Street Phoenix if RHOADS has not already been interviewed Colonel SPRINGER indicated that Mr FUGATE should if possible sit in on this interview A copy of the report from dated August 1947 along with three photographic prints of the pictures allegedly taken by Mr RHOADS is being enclosed for the Phoenix Field Division WWR/jo 62-2938 cc Phoenix Encl AMSD pOORDED II AifiliAIL SPECIAL DELIVERY sro [PAGE 88] I I d!/0:J3S 1VN 3J.N [PAGE 89] I MDARD FOR NO I Office Men o;,,,dum UNITED GOVERNMENT 65- 477 Di ector FBI August 27 1947 SAC Butte F~TG DISCS SIGHTF"1 BY FPB ERISJWJ A1\Tr &\F0LTI i l}ABL TAC0V AS>fDTGTCltJ SECURITY ATTER Re Seattle teJsAugust 1947 and Pugust 12 1947 in the above captioned matter K:ENNET"'lNiP"r,TOL Route ountain View Drive Boise Ida.ho was inter viewed at the B~is;)esident Agency Boise I aho by SA J0SEPF JETTE on August 19 1947 Hr AR~0LD advised that he received a lette from RAYHCTJl A PALMER Editor Venture Press Evanston Illinois dated June 26 1947 in which Mr PAU':!:R advised thet he was interested in publishing an article in his magazine concerning the flying discs seen by J{r AP'~T0Ln near ount Rainie on June 24 1947 which letter is being enclosed to the Bureau vr AF~0LD stated that he did not give nruch thourht to PALMER letter until PALHER wrote him again and informed him that FRET iRISHA.'tlT and HAR0L A AHL of Tacoma Washington had sent him fragments of a flying disc and that he would like hiro ARN0Ln to go to Tacoma Washington and contact CHRISMAN and DAHL to find out if there was any truth in A their story about the disc fragments He ste.ted that he did not answer pAI,i letter but inquired of seve al friends for thei opinion in the matter and that they all to him if PALMER desi ed to pay his expenses to go to Tacoma i Wa shington and look into this matter that they did not see where he had anything to lose He informed that he gave a talk at the Boise Ad Club on July 25 1947 about the flying discs he had seen and also of the request contained in PALMER's letter to go to T~coma to investigate additional information re ga rdi ng the findh iing of d;i.sc fragments by CHRIS MAN and DARL AR!rnLn ad vised that following his talk he was approached by a person who said he lmew both CHRISJ and DAHL and that they were very reliable individuals He stated that after thinking it ovor he called PAI,MEP by telephone and at which time he informed PALMER that he would contact CflRIS~W and DAHL and investigate the matter re garding the disc fragments if P~L'flER would send him 200 00 expense money He also advised that he received l20 00 expense money from PALHER via Western Union the next mo ning He informed that he left for Te.come Wash in gton vie his personal plane on July 30 1947 Upon arriving at Pendleton Oregon he told his story to E~CH CM- lns_pector from Portland Oregon who advised him to go head with his.J-nve~tfifat~on I Jf He stated that he anded at Barry Airport 3li coma Fd ine a:_a room at the Winthrop Hote He informed that he then ca 3Q-rr.S Ei li i]one to make arrangements to talk to him re ga dinr the ts He advised that lHL insisted on coming to the hotel roo innneai r/e.rriving at AR 0LD hotel room lAHL stated that he wanted to forget a~q_uj th discs as too many things had been happening to him and advised J(r ARl'0L -"~'r-~\f home and forget about the discs lf AFJ'0LT stated that he informed JAHL that he wanted~o tain all OPIES n•--.r;-,,r,-c-"~TE A NOV 18 H,1:i en [PAGE 90] IIA'lft#JL fftU#t4n I ri cpr OF 11.1 JtE EIVf 27 I 33 I NTERNAL SECUR I [PAGE 91] August 27 1947 Director FBI Re Flying Discs Tacoma Vin of the information available regarding the disc fragments and that he understood that DAEL had told the press about the disc fragments stating there was nothin to the story and thet it was a phoney DA:iL immediately replied that his story was not false or phoney but that what he had seen and what had happened to him was so unusua and fantastic that he wanted to for et about the disc fragments DAHL then agreed to tell A RN OLD the fo ll Hing story providing his ame an he Harbor Patrols woul be left outs AEL stated that his dog had been kil ed and his boy hurt and that the wheel mount on his harbor patrol boat had been struck by disc fragments and that about twenty ton of this material had fallen on the beach at uri Island and into the bay and that a day after this incident a man about forty years of age had contacted hi and told him 11 know what you saw at ltauri Island and I'm tellin you in a nice way to for et about it and keep your mouth shut 11 AHL stated that he had obtained a larre number of the fragments and had taken them home but that F~CKJ fAN his superior officer had told him to send the fragments to RAYMO PALMF:R at Chica that PALr"ER woul analyze the specimens ree of char 1).AHL continued statin that on the afternoon of June 21 1947 he was on patrol with is boy dog an two seamen near a cove on the east side of Yauri Island He stated that he looked up through the windshield of the boat and at a hei ht of about 000 feet he saw six round circular rey objects that looked like ar ge inner tubes slightly squashed These objects appeared to be about 00 feet ac ross and in he center was a hole about twenty five feet f',A HL said he assumed they were some type of a balloon The objec in the center was lower than the rest of the other objects an the other objects we re circlin around it The object in the center seemed to be descendin while the others followed As the objects descended he saw port holes around the inside of the object and what appea ed to be windows stated that he object in the center descended to about 500 feet and that suddenly one of the circlin objects came down and touched the object in the center and remained in this position fo a few minutes while the other objects continue to ci rcl above The object which had descended and touched the object in the center and which was lower then rose and took its pl ace with the other objects 11 of the objects then started to rise an wh a appeare to be news papers came out of the center of the object in the midd le of the circlin object Then the sky seemed to rain lava the lava coming from th object in the center and DA HL headed the boat for shore He st a te that th lav a coming from the object in the center appeare to be a white metal and as it fell into he wa ter clouds of steam rose from the water st a te that so of he lava a nde on the beach He a lso stated that his dog was killed a nd a so a sea gull in ad dition to his boy bein hu rt by the fallin lava ftB OL co tinued statin that rARL had said that he ha taken pictures of the object and th at i AW wanted them he could have the ne ativ es A took Am OL to he ome of is secretary ha evenin a nd showed him some of he isc fr ag me ts he had ic ed up which were smooth on one si de e.n rou sr on the ot er accor din to ir AP OL [PAGE 92] August 27 1947 Director FBI Re Flying Discs Tacoma Wn Mr AR OLD stated he received a telephone call from the press upon returnin to his hotel ro om and that the press wanted to know about the flying disc fragments and he told them that he was not talking until he had proved it He stated he did not know how the ress ever knew he wes in Tacoma or had seen DAHL Mr ARNOLU informed that at 9:30 A.M the next morni ng July 1947 AHL and CHRIS}~\N appeared at his hotel room and nAHL again asked him to uo home and forget about the discs that his story was not false but that he had had enou gh trouble DAHL said that his boy had been missed one morning a~d had been found at Lust lfontana waiting on tables in a cafe that he did not know how he had got there and that too many things were happening fr AR\OLD stated that when l)Afil and CHRIS,IAN came to his hotel room they had an armful of fragments and that CHRISWAN had then informed about how he had seen an object rese mb lin those seen by DAHL CHRISMA stated he had talren the patrol boat on July 23 1947 and had gone to ¥8.uri Island and had found the beach littered with lava CERIS'~N stated he had looked up and had seen a bal loon like object with port holes and windows which had disappeared into a lar ge cloud ARNOLD stated that he asked DAHL again to see the pictures of the objects that llAHL had again agreed to show them to him Mr AR''OLfl informed that he had then asked Am and CHRISt•AN if it would be all ri ght for him to call a friend Captain SMITH who had also seen some flying discs and let him s~e the fragments and hear ur DAHL story rAHL dissented however CHRISMAN readily agreed He also stated that he had placed a call to Lieutenant BR0""1 ard Captain DAVI~SON Army intelligence officers at Hami lto Fie and had asked them to come to his hotel as they had previously instructed him to report to them any thing of an unusual nature or of interest regardin the flying discs He stated he flew to Seattle and got Captain Sl'ITH and that Lieutenant ffP011N and Captain DAVIDSON had come to his room about 4:00 A.-q OLD advised that he he.d asked Lieutenant BRO'lffl just what he had found out regarding the discs and Lieutenant BRO,IN had confidentially informed him that they had obtained a picture of a disc which appeared to be authentic which picture was taken by a man in Phoenix Arizona The picture according to Lieutenant BRO was of a circular object with a ho le in the center and of another object that looked like a flying wing He stated that when Lieutenant BRO:,'ft-T told him this that he immediately thought of the object seen by DAHL He stated that after hearing DAHL story Lieutenant Bl?0':1 ar Captain DAVIflSON attitude had changed immediate and that they appeared disinterested It was then suggested that they all go to Ma.uri Island and look for the disc fragments Lieutenant BRO,'(N and Captain DAVIDSON stated that they had to return to Hami ton Fi eld immediately Mr ARNOLD stated that Lieutenant BR011N and Captain AVIDSON were very careful to gathe up all of the fragments which had been brought to the oom by DAHL and CHRIS':Af-1 [PAGE 93] lirector FBI August 27 1947 Re Flying Dis cs Ta.coma w•n He stated tha.t the next morning he received a cal from CHRIS:~N who told him that Lieutenant BR011 and Captain nAurnsor had been ki led in a 25 crash He stated he does not know how C'tfl'-?IS AP knew who had been in the olene befo anyone else He also stated that during the above conference nume ous telephone calls were received from the press wanting to know about the conference He stated that someone kept tipping the press off as to what was going on and what was being said daily verbat i He informed that PArL LAND and MORELLO United Press men at Tacoma appeared to know al that took place during the confe ence and even kr:t.ew of the ere.sh of the 25 and those aboard before the Army released this information lKr ARNOLD informed that when he received news of the crash that he and Captain SYITH fully expected to be contacted by Ar my Intel igence as they were the ast people with Lieutenant BROrr a-d Captain DAVI!'S0t however they were ever contacted He further stated that he and Captain SMITH wer,t down to the United Press to see wh~t the survivors of the era.sh had informed about the crash and that l'0BELL0 had told them that the myste ious informant who had been callin had to him that the 25 had not crashed but had beens hot dpwn also that MORELLO Army informant he.d said that an observer at I elso 1ashington had seen the plane th row out a landin flare after the two survivors had jumped from the plane and that the plane had gone into a steep dive and dove into a hillside and further that one engine had been on fire but that the fire appa atus protectin the engine had failed to function Hr AFi0LP stated that DA then came to see hi ard Captain S!HTH and told them to home a nd for et about the discs that such things as the 25 crash had been happening to him all along o\.lffl0LD stated that he then called l'r PAUKER e.t Chicago and to him that the deal was off a:rid that if he wanted his J200 00 back he could have it ths.t two men had been killed and he was etting frightened of the whole thing- He stated that PALl...V:R informed hi that it was all ri ht with him to keep the i200 oo however he would send him a additional check for the trouble he had put to Mr ARN0 Lr advised that previous to this telephone ca Captain si•ITH had called hi friend M0~~I R0DrY of the Chica.go Times and had to him that he did not have any faith in Army ntelli ence and for RODDY to conduct an investi ation on PALMER and get to the bottom of this disc fantasy ARNOLD also adv i sed that previous to the two above telephone calls he had asked the pr ess to investigate PALJ~R as Army Intelligence had informed him th!t they could not i nd PALMER and knew nothin concerning him and appeared not to be interested in PALfER who seemed to know more a.bout the flying discs than anyone se ARNOLD stated that he personally thinks that PA MEP business is a blind for somethin else and th DAI and CiffiIS1 will do anything that P4.LllER asks him to and will not talk unless PJL'f8R tells him to Mr AR"0LD state that he still wanted to re to the bottom of the disc fra~ment story so he and Captain S~!ITF had decided to to l.'.a.u ri Island on Sunday Aurnst [PAGE 94] August 27 1947 n:lrector FBI Re Flying Discs Tacoma 1947 however when Cr ISMA.N was approached in this regard and they had gone to the boat house v-.here CHRIS Al kPot his boat CHRISMAN could not seem to make the boat run nr-d after m4kitg some excuses that he hnd to rettrn to his office had stated that he woula return in a.bout an hour and by thet time his mechanic should have tre boat repaired and they could all proceed to Wsuri Island QNOL informed that CHRIS never returned end thrt they were unable to locate CHRISllA at any of the telephone numbers he had iven them They located inAEL in a movie accord'ng to AR OLD and that DAHL after making so~e efforts to locate C~IS informed them the.t CHRIS le't town for a few days He furt er inforned that about this time the oress contacted them and told them an inform~nt had called and told them +hRt son his way to Alaska ir an Army pl ane OLD advised tt- 11 Captain had informed him th<J.t he had de an appointment with lajor ANDERS at McCord Field and intended to tel jor SANDJmS the complete stor Q.iring the afternoon Capta·n SITH and ajor SANDERS came to the hotel roo eccording to AF OLD and some of the frs nents the.t DA had brought to OLD roor.i followin5 the conference vere shown to llaior SAND3RS Upon vievrinl +he agments l"',jor S.U accord ing to AR OL st,o,ted that tr.ey were roting but slag fro the coppAr i however before A jo SAP t'PS left he t1thPred up every fragment in the room accorr i to and took them with hi AR OLD stated that he then left for Boise Idaho ARNOL produced a lette dAted August 1947 from PALMER in which PAL!:ER attempts to encourage A OL to continue his irives•ig tion into the flyinl discs This letter is lllso beirg enclose to the burnau ARNOLD also rave SA JETTE a oopy of the article sent to PAL,~::P and to the Comrrw.nd1nl General ri ht l.'"iel 1,;ayto Ohio re 11 ling his sighting of the ine discs near owt Painier on June 24 1947 This article is also being enc ose I to the Bureau ARt OLD advised that he is vitally interested in this matter and knows that the nn1st be somethin to the flying discsstory He st~ted that he wil do everything in his pov;er help tre Bureau in this matter also advised that he has no conr.ectio:1 wh1>tsoever vlth the oise StatesmPn He stated that the Boise Statesman has never p-id him for any information he has given them He i nfonned that he sincerely believes that the Boise Stites is attemptin@ as ha is to get to the bottom tle flying discs story AM'OLD stated thqt he has told the above story to Army Intelli ence a 11\jor SA1 DERS ar to no one else 1th the exception of SA JET DAVE JOIDSOO Boise Statesman loise Idaho advised.that the Boise Statesman has never paid AR OLD for any news item he has given them and has neve approached him in this nanner lie stated that the Boise Statesman is riot attempting to push t.~e flying discs story but Ill':?rely attempting to [PAGE 95] Director FBI August 27 1947 Re Flying Discs Tacoma get to the bottom of the flying discs story as they sincerely believe there is someone who knows the story of the discs and that they actually exist and that the Army when approached for information merely state that they know nothing concerning them JOfil'S0 also informed that Lieutenant BRO"l,1 and Captain AVIDSON had contacted him on July 20 1947 at Boise Ldsho regard ing the discs and that is how he met them Unless advised th the contrary no additional investigation is being conducted in this matter and it is being considered as Referred Upon Completion to the Seattle Office JEJ:FPMc Encs RE~ISTERED AIR f~IL SPECIAL DELIVERY cc eattle [PAGE 96] [PAGE 97] FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVEST I GATION UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFIClAL BUSINESS It Encs to Bureau Re Flying Discs Butte file 65-477 [PAGE 98] ENTURE PRESS STUD BUILDING 171B SHERMAN AVENUE EVANSTON ILLIN IS Mr Kenneth Arnold All It I Boiee Idaho [PAGE 99] VENTURE PRESS 305 TUDIO BUILDING 1718 ERMAN AVENU VANS TON ILLINOI Au&1t 1947 Ar Kenneth Arnold Box 387 Boise Idaho Dear Mr rnold It seems that Mr Maurice Roddy of the Chicago Times got the at ry from Mr Sir 1th because he oslled me told me he was running it I knew only What you'd told me over the phone Now it seems the newspapers a.re pestering th very devil out of all ycu fellows cr1sma.n wired me for inst1uotions and I told him to cay nothing tb the newspapers because he'll look silly if the army explains th1 as meteors or something like that I don't blame you for being alarmed but I trust you've had no trouble i your flying since then Let's get that straight- there no ho rrible plot 1n#olved It's probably true that the t\llO m<,n killed were just aaoidents It could be true th..'1.t it wo.s not an aooident but I don think there was any connect ion with the disks or anything of that nature nor is the material from Murray Island to blame Certainlt I don think you'd suffer from completing your report on your mission and send in me iour affidavit Also you'll hav some money coming for that and no sense to tossing the out of the window It i unfortunate that the thing seemed so big you had to call in army intell en oe but lit 11 take them a long tiJae proceed to the point I've reaohed 1nthis disk mystotY You see you aren't the first to see them They've been known for nearly forty years and I have amplo pr~of of that ut jOur experienoe was the first real break toward a solution I hate to have you drop he matter en al reaa1ning to do is to file your report with me Crisman is willing to contri ute his share I hope you 111 too This tl ing 1.1ust not be hushed up and fo gotten It's muoh to important the people of Amerioa if not the 110rld Antl no censorship of the matter is logal You needn fee.r that angle You certainly did a bang-up job of investignt1ont a lso you wrote one of the best article a about your aune 24 experience I ve ever een Piease do the same on is last business Yuu On it to th ose tw men 1rho were killed I also like to know what developed on those pictures you took of those ndacks or whatever they were [PAGE 100] I In short I'd like to have you continue to aeep in oontaot with me and relay to me anyth1r.g furt!l you learn In turn I'll give you the whole story Which I just about ready to break not in the newspa:;ers And ir it was as dangerous as you seem to suspec I afraid I have been a oorpsa long agoJ But and this is all you need remember those disks ar not red oorp us oles in 1our eyec~11 and they are not som ething we can forget about nth an ostrich in the sand attitude ie•ve got to solve them publio hysteria or no AR for that hysteria if laughing is hysteria that all the ysteria I've noticed By all means I want to thank you or the rk ou ve done You know 1ow- business and you handled it like a major But I'm hoping OU do the easy par now and get that report on paper A oheok for your June 24 artiole is going out to you Sincerely yo urs A Palmer [PAGE 101] [PAGE 102] VENTURE PRESS 305 STUDIO BUILDING 171 SHERM AN AVE NUE VANSTON ILL INO I June 26 1947 Mr Kenneth Arnold Boise Ide.ho Dear Mr Arnold I have just read an aocount in the Chicago Tribune oonoerning an aerial train composed or at least units shaped like a pie-plate and silvery in color traveling at 1200 m.p.h near Mount Ranier as witnessed by you while flying in the vicinity This is quite important to me because I have in my possessjon numerous independent confirmations of what you saw although none in as great detail as your account I am interested in publishing an article in our magazine written from a personal aooount by yourself and accompanied by pix of yourself plane and rough sketches by yourself of what you saw If you oare to do this for me I am prepared to pay our usual rates of perword plus $5.00 for each photograph you can provide or for each sketch which can be used by our art staff to illustrate the article Included in this material we'd like a short biographical sketch of yourself as author background material The article anuld appear under your by-line If you are not interested I w,uld at least appreciate a letter from you confinning the newspaper story Very truly yours A Palmer The Venture Press In your reply please use airmail [PAGE 103] born I!n.reb 29 191$ S.n il,,,."'>boxo 5..nm3oot.'.l ta.tbcr ltl!'le uao Pd Arnoldi my ootbor I:L:lidon n:u:-.o Bc1•t...li al"{l'Jn I tr.1S rooidsnt of tli.mtosot:l until I ms Gix yoai·s old r.ben ey f'onily to ucoboy nttun fJhoro t!loy bo20 to:idod tw- c,.~amrc.t..1l01- Rolmta tirnold also bmX)st:.o in ibey &nt.tul nnd boo nc qui.to nt in poUti.c:a circl-e3 cl.onz th W:rton SO.."mtor I to credo school and hi.ch school at Llinot Jorth lb ota I 0'1Tb3rcd outinz at t-.-rolvo year or a and achiovc.d tho r.:mk of z].o scout before I T1li.O fo-.irtoon t\Y fo Or scout oxc tivo tr.lS Pre sco tt nm a ro3tonu cot.cinsionor ror tho Boy oouto in ns City Itan~as intoro tod in nthlotic end uns olo tca all tatc end in 193 tmd 193 in the suite of li01-tl1 ta I entered the O~c t.r1al.d in fmicJ livirliJ in 19 32 I T.l5 Rod CroGn Id.fo ltJ1ner duri.n t.bo ycJ!U"3 of 193 33 and 34 I toutht iGtii divine GCOUt nps mx1 tbo tnmicip.μ pool i.n t1:in::>t 01 th lhkob I u.,nt to tho Univoruity oi imxmotn mwr I mm Mld did £a.ncy di.vin'1 uncbr I.oils Thorpo l3nd ol plcyod footb::lll undor Bor-.ai.o Biemnn bu upon ontorinJ collo I t.n:1 llJUblc to eo tir.i a i'ootb!lll cn.raor bocauso of on iJljurcd knee hit;h school ootlxlll ch Olonn Jarrett Oho is n:r.r tho 1lo"'d foott ru.l co ch of the Un.tvor~ty rth Dcltoto I h:l.d li tt.1.a or no fin:lnco!l cy ti.on in iurthoi:'inu cy oduc 1tion coll.OJ 1!la 1..hrOu.:;h ey c.tbletic!l tis boy in Lanot I.ortb Il:w-..ot- I did e,.'OOd do:Jl ot do sled 1':i.rot th oy do in 19.30 in tho Lion Club lb rt,y ntdna In 1938 I r.an ---orl fM Littloton Co orc'.?.do c:i..'11.lfoot.uror or If In 1939 I u.:w n..,do di~tri ct o.:nn~r for th ovor of tho 3tcrn at.ates ond in 191':l [PAGE 104] at,;0 13 Life d:l.ta on nnDtll ld em Fire I h:i.vo wrkinz oo indcoondc £iro co sinco and a fumdlo di tx·ibute oll end install all typos or au f.'ichtint equipoont in ths rur.il aD over fivo tern stat.en £lyine rlenca sto.rtod ti boy in I took £1.yinr lo on Ii Vane on £rom Ore.at w.o tbntaltl DJ.o t.o tl co3t o.t that ti!:O I Ul']jble to continue cy and a not fey of aw r;re con o:zu;enco until 1943 I lT ei von rry pP.ot certificate by lb ch senior CAA inspector of o.i."tlond Oreeon and i'or lnSt throe omied 0-;;r1 nirp1.aho covorin entire rritoey H.h 1'1y.S.?1£ £rot forty to on hull drod hours por amth ince Due t.o t.hc ct airplaJX ent:i.roly in ey rk in J;umary or this yoar I pure nm C:ul.nir e.i.rplanc ti'hic io on nS.rpln.ne desiG11Cd for bidt altitu t3k e:rd shOrt 1'04 field us In too type or I do it tokes il of pr ctieo o.nd judiJlCnt to bo nblc to in PW ea nd out nout injur1n Yo1,W eirpla.no U\O 0.?'0 Vu% al itude ia 1rin'¥ hi.en in so::ia of the fields and pl.ac I d:l I hn.vc landDd in 823 eot1 turas in raountain ond in o,,-cr a tho otllld a ati.t ts.re has an cy to asb..."'l [PAGE 105] i'he foll.er.ii tory of mi I obsor.rod ovor t.bo ac::.do bOUntains mpon:;iblo a it ow io pooitivol t.rug I It3VOr iwkcd mr ted aey n:>w11.oty tor ju3t nccid...~tly beinu in the right f1p0t at the ri~t t:Lt10 to ob Ol'11'0 iii I did I raportod sO!lOtb1113 th I knon any lot ud bn.ve ronort.od I rum -t.!link rt in OJV cy obscrv tion ms clne to aonsitivit,.y of cya oicht or jud:,μmt th:m Jo nJ for any pilot On Juno 24th fuesdey 19li7 I h=:d finiohOd er rk for tho Centrnl oornco at Cheh.il.io aa!lington and dbout tt:o clock I 00k ot£ i'ro!il Challall hin.,.:tton cirport tilth th3 intention of inz to Yokl.tn bin,cton 113 trip nao deJeyod i"or o.n hour to o~h f'or larce r.iarim -tr:.YlSport that ou~scdly ant do..n ne:ir or oroim:l tho oout.lroest Cide Ct Bainior in tho state of m.onin,;tDn ibis tranaport Ins been di eovorod o.t -:1:,he t.ir!o of tbio urit.ine--Jvly 29 19h I fl.cr.7 Mroctly to rd Raimor artcr roo.chiJm 11 t.itudo of o.bOut 500 foot ffllich io We pproxiroto olOVQ.tion of tho bieh pla.tob.u i".ro ffilieh Rtinie.r ri o:J I h!ld oodc ono aa:)Op of thio hi.eh plnteau i.o the nos 8:lrebinz all or thO rious riQ.!!On for this- no e..lu.p end nm1 to lt dm7a mid r.car tho sido or tho eapyon Jihor.c A ahtord u-ton 16 loe::ited Un=-..bl to ace o.eyth:i th locmcd like tho 16.:.t obip I tndo a 360 JrOO turn to rlcht and abovo th3 llttlo ci of tli.nor.:U 11\1 to llt Iloinier I cl:i.tlbcd ck up to an altit;11cle of o.pprox1mtoly 200 foot ibe nir oo D!JOOtb tho.t dcy that it a roal pl sure mid 23 mo tl 01•3 o.t a r,tor altitude I in direct.ion of Ynkinn [PAGE 106] waition end o~ly oot in lano ob the ruld the tet•rnin lh-..nm DC-4 to the to tho roar or na approx:il:a:tQJ.¥ f'lftcon oUos dismnt end I should 3Ude lh 000 foot el.ovation i'ha ilry 01i4 cir uere cs cleru ns ccystol had not no.m mro t'bo.n tw-o or t.hroo ttl.rnltco on cooroo a bri(;bt i'lnoh ra~le ctod on thoucllt ws too c"looo to one t.hor airer I looked avery plc.co in end couldn find Tihoro tl rafigction ht.d co;:o until I 1oolrod Hai or mcro I ob -rvod ot nine culil'U looli:inc oircr.Ji't J.y:i.nz rob north to outh o.t rox:lcatc)y 500 foot olcv tion and oinz °'-1ooinclY in dofinite direction or urout 170 do.:;roos north t.o oouth o.ssunod tl)ey rore jot Ulyho':I I discovered tho ronection bad ccr.....o frO no t.TA 01 throe of th83 evc1- ferr seconds wuld dip or their cour sli(;h.tly just cnoudl for th GUn atrikG thod c.t en an~c that rotl.octod ibrlehtlj on cy lune Qbj ct boinu.qui Ct I lm.- una lo for ro mcw to out t.h...~r h...."'1)0 or ir for tion V~ry hor~y t.llQY J'P!'Oachcd it or td I obsorvoi 3ir O\.ttlino the sn:r qui.to p)rS t~t very pocillo.r trot I couldn find tboo.r W1s wt n:riuocd thcy 1C'DrO typo of jot plc.no tomi od to cloc tbc1r ao I lnd finite po1Jltc &inier ilnd could clock by end tho o.i.r objcctb and doter tMir ppi'Oxicato npa and aizo ti.L"lOot fifty nUos I dititi ct:cy tbat ey 6.1?0P cocond liand on cl.De:t U'ai.c lo lo~tod on cy inst-...,.,..,...·:t p:ll'lOl re3d ono an too first Obj iM~ora thorn oJ Ro:i.nior Im t7i re st on I bad nowr fora obsorrJ'od oo cl.ooo to the DOtllltnin topo flli-1.ne directly I [PAGE 107] oo crvo c3alil or the south to couthoaot-O.Cr 1:.110 hoe b=1c of munt.3.in r,.-mzo I F;O"j],.d ost.1.rnto tbt.lir olcva.tion cmild htlv -wr-100 a thousnnd £eot one or nm up or do.m but t,hey r.oN pretty ch on tho hoi1.zon to cc mlich n::ruld indicn.to the tmro nD!lI tho snne el t!on n10Y flcu liko u:uw I vc ob eeose to in thor dio.eobt\l ehair.- liko 1100 if t?ley linlroc.1 toeot.hor i'boy cOQ.:Xld to hold a definite d:i:1-ection but ther m-renoo in and out or thO hi Ul.1n petiko i'hofr at the did CilUS I -t!nt our and cir forcos bad pl.nr..o bat u.::nt ve ry taot il3t ke botb.Otinc I tchod O.ip nnd £1.a.bh in tho oun rlijit along thG1r path feet tmt oouldn out any t.-ill on cure t.Mt cm:;- pilot could jw)t ro tlmn ocond loo nt sue planO Iob::crved qui.to lm.nl3 end I tinate liotanco fro::th cil03 I kner1 they ovon on clenr a 03 tt i'\.to:icmy In tact I pired zmw tenor or cottline tool I bad in qy pockot mth thre hold inu it up on the and ho1dj.;ng it on the DC-4 tlut I could ob crvo at quite dictrulee to qy loft mid they c...o::.ed A":,.Qllor t.l12n t.hO bt1t I Dbbtild judto t.hoir U0"'1ld VO boon as m.do as t.hO furth'31'0!lt en:,.ncs on c::ich oi or tl.13 fu!l3li.lG of tho 00-4 I obsorl8d tho objects tho nore ot I cs I c.ccnstoood 13.nr 01th tb tho eround or at bizbor cl.tifudo mxr ovored ridev in Rainier tho Lr p:iso nu t.110 south cre:rt of tbio ridZo tho l..l.'lt obj ontoririz 110rthern ere or tho ri as icw.nr ri I t'1CaO'tlrE)d mid round it to cl.l.o could ni:e:cy assu.ne that t..110 c1uin t.hoso omcor-like objocUJ 1"0 a.t least fivo oil.cs l.On3 [PAGE 108] could quite ce:ur to:cy- no t,bb·r po dim to tbo £act thoro r.oro novcJ'al ihioi pe ra tb.:l.t ro li vtl.o this i of tl C:J 11 aa hi pc3ko on ttio ot do of t."ioir As l!iSt unit of this ro tion PO,'J od too rorthorn-:JOst hiah 6IlO'u--COvorod crest of lit M.o:.!s I 1oo!md at cy O'JOOP oeeond h.ond mid it Ghoued t!ut they had trovolled I rilct1t h...."'VC be:m OOOi.ili ro1'lections or oven a lCC d.e I kno.r to be oJ.uto]J fa.lso conds at tho t:ir.o t-!ti.o t.ir.une not up ct ca no I felt nt nfter I lanclod thoro 10"Jl.r bo ox lo.rntion of tf113t rr;r as I ob5crvod objvets not ohl3 t.hi-ou,:h t.ho c).nos of ey bn turned s:w ei ere I could open cw r.i.nckm mia ob orve ti ui.tru.a co:ipl.ew),y unobstructed viccr thoueb tm D.II1.tten liL."O a very Dhol"t tico in ffio air in tro n:inuto tico pil.Ot can ob orvo crc3t t.~n nd -Udn bis Oieht or vioion prQbn.bly a oo fitey or 1xt t.iooD I continU.od GO~h for tho tiri:r."O pl.r:no or a.not £il'tocn t..--:.mty r..:imttco and 1'£lllo lJ for this I Ind junt L.-opt t,"Oi i arto:r throu_j di turbod I COtilil even l'ollo.1 bY ir 1'1.n.shos tt7o nnd hili or thr.a6 tu.nUto vinion cl.tbouj1 by the or £01-m Of courso nn tho D'Un roll otod fro 0110 or bit or throe or thc=e um.ts thW a o.ro to bo COC!I)loteJ.y l"'OUr.d c.1.t clrarr.lJ;le to t.he oos't ot r:r nbili~y rmten I includlll tlfl to thO hape I obs"1Wd bo:io oe od cov-.JrO<l rtd.:;c ao 11 Rainier [PAGE 109] thc:.o objccto rl'8I"8 ny1ng app.~tely str.J.i mid levol they DOr;J just bla.c thin lino ond fliPilOd Only to ir size Th!l!lo objecto n:n hold:{nz en a1"'!0at co tarlt elcva.t&m t.hoy did not ooon to be eoin.1 11,l or tb bo do•m a ul.d oo tho c;i of mckot:J or ocy ahdlla I o:J conviI::cad in r:ry omi ci.nd thn.t tnoy mre so::o type of airpl,3%10 even tixfu.r,b thoy did not canto uith oan.;r aopccw Oi the co1wO!ltioJ;WJ of tl'-.:lt I I:nm7 I tm.-ou~t tho nitod -.1til.ton h..-ivo bc nix or evon other accounts T.rltten by SO?lO of tho Ol"'l that I c:m have thinn tl I did pzrtieular d!.l~cr:tptioro of ho tb:roo O:Jtcrn Air Linc:J or Ceder City Utcll tho pilc,t frO!l Cklaliona City l0CO'.::OtiVO rc:tnoer in Ill.itloia Jolm Corlett United Press corrospond..nnt of Boice I<bl¥ D:lvo Johnson cdiwr o.t tbo Boi Do.iljr to.to Contain lil1 h-Oo-:Ulot ty rron of Um.tad A.tr Linea nnd Cnptain Ch::rl.c Gcbinn end Jack llo.rvoy of United Air I.d.nro both only l..aot ni.Cht July 194 r..Me thoir o~crv ti.on on United Air ld.ro 1'll 10S 10stbound out or Bo It ia ey c,pini.on th1t clesenpti0Il3 JCO".lld mt be voey accurate taken tlJe ground u.~s D-ucor-1.il.--e di ro wr at l'tli'.-tc a c,-eat m-lr)lt nd tho:ro in a i:x>ooibili ty trot all of poo,Plo ffllO rvod pqcU:Uar objects could hwo ocn I did but it t10 ild been d.Uficult to 01'\TO tlle or re th.1.n four or fivo ooconda w.d there io 338 the po:mibil.ity or sp}mric a>ioturb nnd du.3t 00.'.lr thb ttllich c:,-Jld distort ono a vioion tihilo air obsorvorn I 10ti.l.d jμd,.,.no to oo very nccu.roto Ih:vcin po:;so oion let ro 1:ro all ovor the United -,t,:itoa and froil 11..."VO boon obsGNad rei othor portiol lO tf don Ber and [PAGE 110] C:li£omia I l70Uld i ve 0,von cl b1n th:lt d:J h:rm bud lOro m.th telephoto l0n.J anil fro I 5.1.l rover be ff.lt.ltout one- bat to contmuo lrtbcr m.th ey otory I lnndod at ns:dn ton airport I do3cribcd I lt.ld ooon to cy very I>Od fr:i.Olld Al Boxter dlo l.ri tha Gorroml --or or Cont.rcl Af.rci Cro lI.c lio Jl'}.ticntl:y and TI:W vory courtoo but in jokltie li.&i li.'3\7 -rr I did r.p't tcly O::!.Otlro tho d:Lot.:'.r rocn tlta vzt mns until I l.m'Mk Pcnfiloton Oro~n tlnt oo;::o d:q ro I told a mt of tt1.ot i'ricncb of GOO.ff or l.au bt aa~Dted they ch:t ba V,lidctl sn or oth:lne mu In fc.ct 7lcrrw roroor Ar::i pil.9ts inforcod tlot they bocn brlofcd bo:foro Coin,c into 00!:lbat ovor:;o they moit ace objects of sim:iJl"r eh pe bSi ns roscrib nnd o.ssured or o,1nr cr.....,7 I quct.o Solley Robi rem Ar Air Forco p;Uot is oper du tinj opcr ts.om nt Pondleton Oro you o'boorvod I tJilX or jot or rocl.-et pi pellecl hip tmt the proco30 of bine tc tcd by our eovorn::-"'ll1i or even it could pg ibly bo by oo.JC f'orci,er1- eo- 11 10W t.bo ra that I rod ob tllo a rapi a."ld before tho llisb,t r.:,.o over I roco vine tolopliono cruJ.G fro ell to date I not rcOOivod one tolop 10 ea.ll 01 one let of co£ or d!Dbclicf T110 only dioooliof thot I mo.r I look nt tldD lo brdod.l c.s not tbin3 1\m1\Y have it 011t to be i'o J'.10 it i it._;hty oori.O'UD and Cinco I ovi.clcntly did cb38rvo SOwOthine t.ru.>r:t at le Jo Doo treat eo1"1'.:0r or to ndro.s on tbo ln t.h.t &>cs not md.st 1:Non thoueh I oponl.y lJ tod a Jl miGstieaUon tty tho [PAGE 111] roI to aui;.ncntici oi tot7or to vv0 I 01"0!.t ti -·-ti.on I till1 Invallleonc rozx>rted tho n:5.tod OCQ!l mtion bun tbey very fi.r I ul.d to int.hia it cd it is tbo of tmrld I oCJ.l.1c.roirplc.no iD fl throe l.o:ld h1p io dooJ.t,lO(l end Cl'lUfactur.ld 11 cxtl~""X!l,y fo ko oftar tor cortUi of [PAGE 112] Juzy 29 l9'i I I I 18 305 1718 no~;:-;-:.i'i al.DO tch tod totpthor th pl10to~n!i::J tori.al you hi tor touro op I [PAGE 113] Da te of de li ve ry J.._r 11-12421 Fonn3811 Bev I RETURN RECEIPT Recdoed from the Postmaster the Registered or mured Article the original number of which appears on the face of this Card [PAGE 114] REGISTERED ARTICLE l'EIW-TTf'O PRIVATEUSl!YOAVOIDPAY,.ElfTOHO,;TAGE.$.llll tpO» 1rU7 te JO ep arunen NS OFFICIAL BUSINESS Jll 9,7 ILi..- I yo BO I SE INSURED AR CE IDAHO [PAGE 115] FBI SEATTLE 14- 47 5-18 PM RECTOR FBI ROUTINE t!J,,,,,,_,I- BlllJCEARMS TR ONG A -'fil CHOLS FL YI!!§ DIS CS IN TERN AL SECUR NEWSPAPER SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER CARRIED ARTICLE ON AUGUST TWELVE OF REPORT OF FLYING DISCS SEEN BY ONE BRUCE ARMSTRONG OF BOEING AIRCRAFT COMPANY AND A NICHOLS ONE ONE TWO FIVE SOUTH WEST ONE HUNDRED AND SECOND STREET SEATTLE INVEST I GATION OF SIGHTING BY ARMSTRONG REVEALS OBJECT TO HAVE BEEN PIECE OF l#ICBURN PAPER WHICH HAD BEEN SEEN BY CONTROL TOWER AT BOEING FIELD IN VESTIGATION SIGHTING BY A NICHOLS INDICATE OBJECT WAS A WEATHER BALLON LETTER TO FOLLOW I lB WILCOX U,Vl1.i.KE]J 31 SEP A AND PLS i I 9-19 PM OK FBI WASH DC GAR f.X [PAGE 116] JG I 20 47 [PAGE 117] PORTLAND V!JIRECTOR FLYING AGATE OF BE ONLY Mr Ison Mr.EA Mr Oleg Jr I Mr r.t I I gto FBI 47 -46 Pt1 E~T mm FBI r{]if DISCS SECURITY MATTErt DASH A MR Ar JOHN~TLETT BEACH NEAR OCEAN LAK Ol<EC-01 HAS REPORTED THAT THE EVE Q-'J t'iG AUGUST SEVEN AT ELEVEt- THIRTY Pf HE SIGHTED WHAT HE BELIEVED A DISC BRIGHT IN COLOR WHICH HE WAS ABJE TO qn~~E,FOR A SHORT TIME BECAUSE OF I c~R w~RVIEHED I B~/~.m 10 -r.xED BOBBITT EX,4 c;r ff 1:f!D I 1-1 HOLD PLS ff Vt I 50 OK FBI UASH DC [PAGE 118] nf:\tr1 I l/lJn:,3a 1~NH3.LN i Hd or Ll 031t13J3>J [PAGE 119] END PAGE ONE I EX-4l I mm Mr I DST tt.utJIAL IIUHl:.AIJ Of fitvt&llliATll\o OEl"ARTMEI Of JUSTltE COMMUHICATI ECTIOI AUG 11 TELETYPE WASHINGTON 17 FROM PHILADELPHIA RECTOR FBI URGENT i i I YING OBJECT REPORTED OVER PHIL A AUGUST SIX NINETEEN FOP.TY SEVEN SABOTAGE THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ON AUGUST SEVEN NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN CARRIED ITEM CONCERNING FLYING OBJECTS OBSERVED OVER PHl.U ON EVENING OF AUGUST SIX FORTY SEVEN PEOPLE REPORTED AS OBSERVING SUCH INTERVIEWED BY PHILA OFFICE AND SUBSTANTIALLY FURNISHED FOLLOW ING INFORMATION AT TEN FORTY FIVE AUGUST SIX NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN A BLUISH WHITE FLAMING OBJECT WAS OBSERVED AT A HEIGHT OF ONE ffietfS THOUSAND FEET OR MORE OVER PHILADELPH PROCEEDING FROM A NORTHEASTERLY TO A SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION THIS OBJECT LEFT A TRAIL OF SNOKE ilff'L;STED FOR AB fJ.1~1'1 TWO SECONDS AND HISSING OR BUZZING SaffiD AUDIBU 1tEJ:.P f.'.Ji IJ lt1 SIGHT OF SUCH OBJECT PEOPLE OBSERVING THE SA1 ti!fMEl JSIBLE AND RELIABLE AND INCLUDE A Yl'-lm=:s FORMER ARMY AIR COP.PS HE Wfr DOES NOT BELIEVE ABOVE MENTIONED OBJECT PROPELLED PLANE SINCE THE ACCOMPANYING SOUND UAS nor AS LOUD AS THAT MADE BY JET PROPELLED PLANES HE ESTIMATED ABOVE OBJECT TRAVELED AT A RATE OF [PAGE 120] RECEIVED-T A i FBI DEPT uF jU 11 [PAGE 121] I PAGE TIJO ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED TO FIVE HUNDRED ILES PER HOUR INQUIRIES BEING MADE BY ARMY AND NAVY INTELLIGENCE FORCES PHILA ON THE REQUEST OF THE PHILA OFFICE TO DETERMINE IF EITHER AR OR NAVY ARE DOING ANY EXPERIMENTAL WORK ON NEW TYPES OF PLANES IN VICINITY OF PHILA THEY WILL ADVISE PHILA OFFICE IN NEXT SEVERAL DAYS LETT-ER OF DETAILS WILL FOLLOW BOARDMAN HOLD PLS [PAGE 122] -EL.:iYPE UI IT EC t;O UG 35 Pli oEP1 JUS1 r.S LJ1 [PAGE 123] A STANDARD FORM NO ffice Memu ran dum UN I TED STl\.1..1 VERNMENT 65-480 TO otor FBI DATE August 20 1947 FROM SAC Butte SUB/jJ FLTING DISCS Refer tel~type to the Bureau dated August 16 94 Enclosed please find the newspaper account carr i ed by the Twin Falls aho Times Nen on August is toget er with a sheet of paper on whicll attempted to sketch his impressions of the instrument which he claims to have seen Concerning URIE•s sketches it nay be noted that be beliewd the rolled outer edge which he attempted to create in his drawil'.lg to ha ve been about a toot through URIE lik»wise believed that the tubing or exhaust flame wh ich be and his sons claim to have seen was about a toot through and extended at least to the ba.ok end of the device The flame did not appear to taper ott nor to widen out toward the back BI~Y and IE stated that they could see a knot on the side ot the device tran which the lanes were shooting and that they could see day light between the exhaust flame and the side of the device The flames did not leave a.ny smoke or odor A The URIE boys thought that the side view sketch should show that k:J the device was more sharply an led from bottan to top while URIE himself thought that it was more streamlined and curved URIE said that the instru ment came to a pointed or rounded top -Bt:"f ERP In his notations URIE mistakenly said tmt he had seen it on Thurs day During interview he stated that it a ctually had been on Wednesday August 13 1947 when he and his sons saw the oontrivanoe about 1:00 Me URIE explai:md that he had se nt is boys to the river to et some rope f'ran his boat When he thought they were overdue he v.oent outside his tJ tool shed to look for them Be noticed them about 300 f'eet away looking in the sky and he lanced up to see what he called the flying disc He said he could only see it f'or a JDOJD9nt before it disappe a red behind a hill which obscured his view URIE further stated that the contrivance was about seventy-five f'eet in the air URIE ides in the depths ot the Snake River anyon which is about four hundred et deep and twelve hundred teet across at that place According to his ace the contrivance was about three hundred feet below the rim of the oan and he saw it against the steep walls ot the canyon on the tar side its color as sq blue and stated that he doubted if it could be a the sky He likewise said that it was purely by COPIES oe I did not spin like a k,i..lJ.l!,.l Cl 27 lliD I SEP 54 i I i be [PAGE 124] [PAGE 125] BT 66-480 As the machine went by the URIE place the trees over which it almost directly passed Korman Poplars did not just bend with the wind as if a plane had gone by but in URIE•s worda 11plD1 around on top as it they were in a vacuum KEI'l'H URIE eight yea.rs of age said he first saw the machine coming dc.Ml the canyon heading from east to 11est and following the contours of the ground BILLY age ten saw it almost imnediately Both watched it fly out of sight behind a tree in a matter of momenta They said they then ran to their Father and learned that he too had seen the machine URIE seemed completely sincere about the inoiden-t He said his wife and daughter ware in the house at the time and had not seen the macbi.D& He questioned his brother who also live in the canyon but his brother bad been eating at the time and had seen nothing URIE and his two boys maintained that they had never before seen one ot -the discs URIE when interviewed ap peared to be a sober m.dqle-E\ged man JO HJrlmc sNAU the Times Newa reporter who originally t'urnished Special Agents with information about the incident likewise stated that URIE appeared cmpletely sincere about the machine Ho f'urther attempt -was made to locate HAWKINS inasmuch as BROWN who was with HAWKINS at the tilll3 was intervi8?i8de BR ffll's was withheld trc:m the newspaper because HAWKINS and BROWN -were fishing at Sal m.on dam while BROWN was supposed to have been workit1g in Twin Falls BROWN said simply that be and HAWKINS could bear a roar They looked up and could see two instr\lDBnta flying at a great height which BROWN mentioned might have been between four thousand and six thousand feet However he said he had no idea how large the devioes ware and consequently they ma.y have been several miles away He said tlat he and HAWKINS were satisfied they had seen aouething and they were very doubtful that they had seen two planes RJGaFo•s Eno [PAGE 126] [PAGE 127] ENCLOSURE ENCLOSURE [PAGE 128] Newspaper Serving TWIN FALLS IDAHO FRIDAY AUGUST 15 1947 Heads Up Follis The Discs Are Flying A ii ajf JIIIC'ila Thi Is an a rti st's co ce ption of th fl in disc at A Ur ie saw I si des a nd co ul we ll be inspiration for something new in women's sw ee pi hr ou gh Sna ke ri ver ca nyon six mil es est of lu akes hats su ch as a fly nr sa cer creation rawing by Vic Goe tzen ra ch It seemed be powered by je ts em i tting a fi ery glow on bot st aff engraving If Flying Saucer Reported Flashing DoWil Ca nyon At 1,000 Miles Per Hour Two Others Are Seen By JOHN ROSNAN Just as Magic Valley and the nation were starting to let go lampposts after reeling under a welter of flying saucer reports two more Twin Falls county men re vived speculation on the mystery with vivid descriptions of discs they saw From A Urie who operates I.he Auger Falls Trout farm six miles west Blue Lakes ranch in ke river canyon came perhaps most detailed account of one of the fast-flying objects the nation has yet produced The flying saucer Urie saw was skimming along through Snake river canyon at a height of about 75 feet at Wednesday At 9:30 a the same day Hawk ins Twin Fa11s county commis sioner and former county sheriff from Filer also saw two circular objects soaring along at a great height near Salmon dam 40 miles southwest of Twin Falls Here is Urle's eye-witness de scription of the flying discs seen by him and his son Keith and Billy 10 I obtained a close-up view the flying saucer as It passed by the trout farm at Aug 13 going down Snake river canyon at a height of about 75 feet from the canyon floor I would estimate the speed at about 1,000 miles per hour Urie explained that the incident occurred while the two boys were com.Ing across the river from the north side in a boat He had be come concerned about what was de laying them and had walked down toward the river to see tl they were all right I had a side view at a distance abo'.lt 300 feet and almost on a level with the thing Urie con tinued Two of my boys Keith and Billy were below me and they also saw it at about a 45-degree angle They both got a bottom and a side view and we were a11 look ing at It from the south side of the [PAGE 129] TIMES- NE TWIN ALLS IDAHO rs ert for two to at done at utworms past two done con fields in i s>l 25 Iields age Is done to the pods he explained as the insects burrow into a pod at night eat into he seeds drop to the ground the next day and enter another pod the nPxt night He recommended use of five per cent DDT dust at the ate of 20 pounds per acre and said the first appllcation should be on now Ne xt speaker was Hay of the PMA federal-state seed labora tory at Sacramento Calif He dis cussed the movement of bean seed in interstate commerce how the seed should be labeled how to name different varie ti es a nd the validity of name assignments Carl Blackburn of the Idaho Crop Improvement association discussed the general organization of that group and spoke of its measures for seed certification The delegates then a.djourned to Clear Lakes resort for a fish fry The Hosp ita Twin Falls News in Brief To Visit Here arri age Licen se AureHa stark Portland Ore is Kenne th Mira le and Es ta Jay arriving here soon to visit Mr and Pearson both of Twin Falls received Mrs Phil A Snow a marriage license Thursday at the courthouse Births A daughter was born Thursday to Mr and Mrs Rudy Wageman Filer at the Twin Fl!-lls county general hospital ma erni ty home Re turn Fr om Co ll ege Mr and Mrs Robert Van Engelen and Fred Van Engelen have re turned from Moscow where they at tended the summer session of the University of I daho BREV Mi ss Povey Visi ts Kathleen Povey former Spanish instructor at Twln Falls hlgh school Is visiting here this week She now teaches Spanish in a high school at South Pasadena Calif Auto Re cover ed Clifford Roth 529 Fifth avenue north reported the theft of his automobile from near the Legion hall to Tw in Falls pol!ce at 5:42 Thursday and 18 mi utes later reported he had recovered th ve hlcle Visi ts Sch ub er ts Agnes Schubert Monterey Par Rector Returns The Rev Le slie Rolls rec or of the Eplscopal Church of the Asce slon and Mrs Rolls returned Thursday from Tacoma Wash where they spent their vacation Retur to ansas City Hoffman and his son Eugene with Lucille Gahr has re turned to Kansas City after visiting Mr and Mrs Hogue Mrs Hogue Is his mother On Trip to East Mr John Hawes and her nephew Pat Boland have gone to Boston and New York City on a two-week's vacation to visit relatives is iting Si ster I Mrs Robert Swanson Denver Colo if vlsltln her sist er Mrs Ke nn Kail Mrs Swanson is a o~r:1 resident of Rupert i,1;1 Perm it Al,,)licatlon for a permit to build a 12 by 20-foot private garage of Calif i li,l ti ig her broth er and i:.m cvu l'l.wtlo11 filed Frldt<Y sister-in-law Mr and Mrs Mel in the office of the ci ty clerk by Schubert this month Miss Schu bert former art instructor at Twin Falls high school now teaches in California Attend Funeral Out of- town persons who attend ed the Donald Spencer funeral in clude Mrs George Robbins Ingl wood Calif Mr and Mrs Clifton Adams Mr and Mrs Erni Vldun Wayne and Dorothy Adams and Mrs Norma Lou Veneman all Po catello Mrs Sarah Adams Mrs Will Severe Mr and Mrs Lyma Adams Mr and Mrs rvil Adams Mr and Mrs Howard Adams Mr and Mrs Ellsworth Adams all Oak ley Mrs udson Tolman Logan Utah and Mrs Alice Miller Salt Lake City William Munger 38 Passes Here William Munger 38,305 Locust street north died at 11 a Friday Lola Vazquez 350 Elm street who estimated the cost at $400 Moo se to Meet Members of the fellowship degree of the Moose lodge will meet at 12:30 Sunday at the Moose hall officials announced Friday Refreshments will be served by Women of the Moose Harry Piper 71 Claimed by Death BU HL Aug 16-Harry ylvester iper 71 Buhl plumber since 1926 died at 9:20 Thursday at the Twin Falls county general hos pital from complications following an emergency operation Mr iper was born June 18 75 In Emporia Kans and came to I daho in 1926 He Is survived by his wife Mrs Nettle Clussman Piper three daughters Mrs Harry Kinter Buhl Mrs James Percha Twin Falls Four Parleys Set on Cassia School Pia ffrom Pace c:>ne Sublet 14 Almo 24 Hazel Bli dt!e 5puugdaie 31 View 32 Moulton The above districts would be corporated into one district I a would elect five trustees Tru a distric ts would be divided tht•s District all of Burley school dis- a tric west of Overland and the Bur ley-Oakley highway district all of Burley school district east of Overland and the Burley-Oakley highway district present districts of Declo Albion Springdale and View district Oakley Basin Moulton and district Heglar Malta Elba Sublett Almo Bridge and all present unorganized terri tory Funeral Held for Infant at Wendell WENDELL Aug service were held 15 Graveside Thu rsday eve ning for Marian Kay Ems Wendell The infant daughter of Mr and Mrs Kenneth Ems died at birth Thursday morning She is survived by her parents a 1>ro the Kenn th Ra month and a sister Janet LaRae Bw·ial in the Wendell cemetery was under the direction of the Frazier mor tuary Jenkins Ma Try Run Tests Friday WENDOVER utah Aug 15 Ab Jenkins holder of most of the world's land speed records for dis tances of 50 miles or more may be gin late tomorrow test runs in prep aration for his newest record as sault Bud Winfield of Los Angeles de signer of the low-slung Mobil spe cial that Jenkins will drive pro nounced the car ready to go The runs will be made on an 11 mile circular track on the Bonne ville salt flats 120 mil es west fi Salt Lake Cit Jenkins former Sa it Lake City mayor hoped to make his official runs early next wee [PAGE 130] FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICIAL BUSINESS ENCLOSURE TO BUREAU Butte File 65-480 [PAGE 131] Saucer Seen lying Down Snak.e Gorge From Pa,:o Ono river facing toward the north The boys saw it coming about ha a mile up the canyon and we all lost sight of it in less than a mile While the impression was still vivid in their minds the three got together and made rough sketches of what they had seen These in turn were the basis for the artist's conception of the strange affair by Vic Goertzen of Twin Falls for the Times-News It was all one color-sort of a light sky blue with a red tubular fiery low a.t the side of the top or hood Urie continued 1he canyon floor is rough at hat articular point and it rode up and down over the hills and hol lov.s at a speed indicating some typi of control faster than the reflexes of man It Is my opinion that it is guided by instruments and must be powered by atomic energy as it made very little noise-just a s-w-i-s-h as It passed by Urie described the size as about 20 feet long by 10 feet high and 10 feet wide giving lt an oblong shape It might be described as look ing like an inverted pie- plate or broad-brimmed straw hat that had been compressed from two sides Pressed for his candid opinion of just what it was Urie said that he was convinced that there was some thing to this flying saucer situation I know a number of the people who have also seen them and I know that they're not just imagining something or trying to get their names in the paper Urie com mented I do know that it scared the boys and made me feel pretty uneasy he added Tracing down a rumor that County Commissioner Hawkins had seen an unusual object in the air on the same day as Urie's experience the Times-News called him at his Filer home Yes I did he replied without hesitation I'll have to admit I've been skeptical all along until I saw it with my own eyes I can't say what It was but I can say there's something in the air Hawkins related that while at Salmon dam Wednesday morning a sound resembling the echo of a motor caused him to look upward and there he saw two circular ob jects that reflected light They were traveling at a great speed and hlgh,;,r than most airplanes accord ng t.o Hawkins Aslde from this he declined to add d'etails except Lo say There's something in the air His general description however corresponded closely to those of hundreds of persons who reported seeing flying saucers after Kenneth Arnold Boise businessman had touched off the deluge by telling of coming upon nine disc-like objects whlle he was flying in his private plane in Washington Thereafter the nation became in creasingly flying saucer conscious creating a state of mind that made It possible for four teen age Twin Falls boys to cause a mild sensa tion when they built a model flying disc and tossed into a local yard July 10 This was subseuently re vealed as a hoax following investi gation by the anny and FBI Thereafter the saucer reports tapered off Into a few scattered in cidents until the question was re vived by this week's occurrences Speculation has ranged from mention that the discs could be army or naVY guided missile experi ments or that they could be similar experiments by some foreign coun try to something out of this world Whatever they are a lot of people have seen something [PAGE 132] OUT OUR WAY SIDE GLANCES C09lt 1946 BY lil!A S!RVICI I If you quit driving to wor save enough money to buy Ju the yard I CARNIVAL [PAGE 133] [PAGE 134] [PAGE 135] UNITED GOVERNMENT DATB August 20 1947 Au thOfity SUllJBCT NND 90986 [PAGE 136] OC.APN/KDS,cp 24 July 1947 #3724 I l.fEM.OR}.NDUM TO THE SECURITY OFFICER OCJ.MA TINKER FIELD SUBJECT BYRON SAVAGE Field Engineer Radio Corporation of America Dal as Texas Residence 416 29th Street Oklahoma City Oklahoma RE Flyind Disc On 23 July 1947 BYRON SAVAGE was interviewed at his residence 416 Vi 29th Street Oklahoma City Oklahoma relating to his alleged viewing of a flying disc over the vicinity of Oklahoma City Oklahoma Subject whose age is 38 advised he is married and has one child wd is presently the holder of a Private Pilot's License No 39101 Single Engine Land Subject averred he has extensively studied electron ics sound engineering and aero nau i cs and tis present occupation which is Field Engineer for Radio Corporation of J.merica offices of which are located in Dallas Texas is that of instal ing theater sound equipment SAVAGE stated that between the days 17 May to 21 May 1947 just after dusk he observed an object which he believed to be a small aircraft in the south SAVAGE advised that the sun had just 6one down and the moon had not arisen on the horizon SAVAGE related that he and his wife had just departed their residence and had started to enter their car in the driveway at 416 29th Street Oklahoma City He judged the time to be between 8s30 i nd 9:00 p.m and the lights from the city of Oklahoma City appeared to be shining on this object when he first saw it He judged the object to be about 160° in the south when he first saw it and as it moved toward him he remarked to his wife that a big white plane was coming over SAVAGE stated that when this object was at a 45° angle from him he realized it was not a conven~ional type aircraft and it appeared elliptical at first end as it moved closer it appeared perfectly round and wes flat S/.VAGE advised the object which appeared to him as a disc had no appearance of being spherical and had a ratio of diameter to the thickness of approxi mately 10 to appearing thicker in the center but this could not be positi~ely ascertained SAVAGE judged the object to be at an altitude of between 10,000 and 18,000 feet and it left no trailing effects SAVAGE related th a it appeared to be in bulk as big es the bulk of six 29s et an altitude of approximately the same height SAVAGE advised that the object was in his vision approximately 15 to 20 seconds and travelled at a speed which he judged to be approximately three times th a of jet propelled aircraft [PAGE 137] a Memo to the Security Officer OC-.Al!A File 3724 SAVAGE stated that there were no protrusions on this object and as it went by he listened for a sound of noise etid at one time thou~ht he dis tinguished a swishin sound like the rushing of air This swishing sound occurred a few seconds after this object had passed him SA VAGE aV-erred this sound was not very loud and did not last very long and it is very possible that the sound could have been his ima&ination or expectation as he was not sure of the sound SPVAGE related that he called his wife to see this object but it had disappeared before she could focus her eyes on it Subjeot stated that the objeot a ppeared to diminish in size and speed as it movffirffl:1 and it we.s moving in a direction of 350° to the north Subj ect7stated that the object appeared to be frosty white in color at all times SAVAGE advised that he has held a pilot's certificate since 1934 and has been flying since 1929 He advised that he v:oulcl be lad to answer any further inquiries and will cooperate in every way possiole SAVAGE stated he was sure this object was not a meteor and in his opinion it must be radically built end powered probably atomic K.AUd.P.N SIMON c.r u.s Army [PAGE 138] COPY Incident 41.F 1208 I 16 July 1947 MEMORANDW FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE On 12 July 1947 Mr Kenneth Arnold Box 387 Boise Ide.ho was interviewed in regard to the report by Mr Arnold that he saw strange objects flying over the Cascede Mountain Range of Washington State on July 25th Mr Arnold voluntarily agreed to ive the interviewer a written report of exactly what be had seen on the above mentioned date The written report of Mr Arnold is attached to this report as Exhibit A AGENT NOTES Mr P.rnold is a ma.n of 32 years of age being married aid the father of two children He is well thought of in the community in which he lives being very much the family man end from all appearances a very good provider for his family Mr rnold has recently purchased a home on the outskirts of Boise recently purchased a 000 airplane in which to conduct his business to the extent of which is explained in the attached exhibit It is the personal opinion of the interviewer that rnold actually saw what he stated that he saw It is difficult to believe that a man of Mr Arnold's characte and apparent integrity would stete that he saw objects and write up a report to the extent that did if he did not see them To go further if Mr Arnold can write a report of the character that he did while not having seen the objects that he claimed he saw it is the opinion of the interviewer that Mr Arno is in the wrong business that he should be writing Buok Rogers fiction Mr Arnold is very outspoken and somewhat bitter in his opinions of the leaders of the U.S Army Forces and the Federal Bureau of Investigati~n for not having made an investigation of this matte sooner To put all of the statements made by Mr Arnold in this report would make it a voluminous volune However after having checked an aeronautical map of the area over which Arnold claims that he saw the objects it_wes determined that all statements made by Mr Arnold in regard to the distances involved speed of the objects course of the objects and size of the objects could very possibly be facts The distances mentioned by Mr Arnold in his report are within a short distance of th actual distances on aeronautical charts of this area although Mr rnold has never consulted aeronautioal charts of the type the Army uses Mr Jrnold stated that this business had suffered greatly since his report on July 25 due to the fact that at every stop on his business routes large crowds of people were waiting to question him as to just what he had seen Mr Arnold stated further that if he et any time in the future sew anything in the $ky to quote Mr P.rno ld directly if I saw a ten story building FRANl BROWN S/A CIC 4th AF [PAGE 139] Incident 4AF 1208 I flying throu~h the atr I would never ea7 a word about itn due to the fact that he has been ridiculed by the press to such en extent that he is practically a moron in the eyes of the majority of the population of the United Stat es Incl xhibit A FRi'.NK BRO~N S/A IC 4th AF [PAGE 140] COPY SOME LIFE DAT.A ON KENNETH PRNOLD I was bo March 29 1915 in Subeka Minnesote father name vras Edward Erb Arnold my mother maiden name was Bertha Barden I was a resident of Minnesota until I was six years old when my family moved to Scobey Montana where they home steaded My grandfather Role.nd Ar nol also homesteaded in Scobey Montana and became quite prominent in political circles al ong with Burton Vihee er the famous Montana senator I went to grade school and high school at Minot North Dakota I ente ed scouting at twelve years of age and achieved the rank of Eagle scout before I was fourtee My former scout executive was Prescott now a reg i onal commissioner for the Boy Scouts in Kansas City Kansas a boy was inte ested in athletics and was se ected as an all state end in 1932 and 1933 in the state of Worth Dakota I entered the Olympic tr ials in fancy diving in 1932 I was a Red Cross Life Saving Examiner during the years of 1932 33 and 34 I taught swimmin and diving at scout camps and the municipal pool in Minot North Dakota I went to the University of Minnesota where I swam and did fancy diving under Ne il Thorpe and also played footbal under Bernie Bierman but upon entering college I was unable to continue my footba care er because of an injured knee My high school foot ba coach was Glenn Jarrett who is now the head footba ll coach of the University of North Dakota I had little or no finances and my ambition in furthering my education in college [PAGE 141] age was through my athletics As a boy in Minot North Dakota I did a good deal of dog sled racing placing first with my dog in 1930 in the Lions Club Dog Derby In 1938 I went to work for Red Comet Inc of Littleton Colorado a manufacturer of automatic fire fighting apparatus In 1939 I was made district manager for them over a part or the western states and in 1940 I established my ovm fire control supply known as the Greet Western Fire Control Supply I have been working as an independent fire control engineer since and I handle distribute sell and install all types of auto matic and manual fire fighting equipment in the rural areas over five western states My flying experience started as a boy in Minot North Dakota where I took my first flying es son from Earl Vance who was originally from Great Falls Montana Due to the high cost et that time I was unabl to continue my flying and did not fly of any great consequence until 1943 I wss given my pilot certificate by Ed Leach a senior CAA inspector of Portland Oregon and for the last three years have owned my o;,m airplane ooverin my entire territory with same and flying from forty to one hundred hours per month since Due to the fact th a I use an airplane entirely in my work in January of this year I purchased a new allair airp lane which is an ai rpl ane designed for hi6h altitude take-offs end short rough field usage In the type of flying I do it takes a reat deal of NliiD:mNTI A [PAGE 142] cow Page Some Life Data on Kenneth Arnol pr actice and jud1911ent to be able to land in most any cow pastu and get out without injuring your airplane the runways are v13ry limited and the altitude is very high in some of the fie ds and places I h~ve to go in my work To date I have landed in 8~2 cow pastu es in mountain meadows and in over a thou sand ou rs a fla.t tire has been my greetest mis ap [PAGE 143] I DISCS I NTERNAL SCU RITY-X FBI SEATTLE 8-14 47 5-21 PM 4RECTOR FBI URGE BRUMMETT SID'l}ECKER FLYING AUGUST FOURTEEN INllflffHXK NINETEEN FORTYSEVEN SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER PUBLISHED ARTICLE TO EFFECT THAT UMMETT BOX TWO FIVE FOUR RED MOND WASH AND SIDNEY DECKER BO TWO NINE SI REDMOND WASHINGTON HAD SIGHTED TWO DI SCS AT APPRO IMATELY NINE AM AUGUST THIRTEEN NINETEEN FORTYSEVEN UPON INTERVIEW DECKER STATED THAT TWO VERY BRIGHT OJECTS TRAVELING AT AN EX TREME RATE OF SPEED ERE NOTICED BY HIM AS H~WAS STANDING NEAR THE REDMOND POST OFFICE DECKER DESCRIBED THE OBJECTS AS HAVING NO WINGS NO TAIL AND BOTH ENDS WERE TAPERED DECKER ADDED THAT THE OBJECTS RESEMBLED A BELLY TANK AND THAT THEY WE RE NOISELESS THE OBJECTS WERE VERY BRIGHT AND TRAVELING IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION OVER REDMOND WASHINGTON ONE A BIT BEHIND AND A LITTLE ABOVE THE ◊,HER MAI TAINING EQ UAL RA TES OF SPEED FOR APPRO IMATELY EIGHT SECONDS A rv- WHICH TI THEY DI APPEARED FROM VIEW DECKER ADDED THAT THEY WERE HIGHER THAN A PLANE GENERALLY TRAVELS BRUMMETT ADVISED THAT HE NOTICED THE OBJECTS AND CALLED DECKERS ATTENTION TO THE AND ALSO POINTED THE OUT TO A RS MAMIE ENGLISH BRUMMETT STATED THAT HE SAW THO OBJECTS FLYING AT A FORTYFIVE DEGREE ANGLE NORTHEASTERLY OVER RED OND Ir T.iIO H00([8 I 71 34 SEP 1941 [PAGE 144] 27 19 PM 11 I NTERNAL SECURl'l f'°.B OF 111 tC Jt t.t scc,ut [PAGE 145] HE AS HE PAGE TWO TRAVEL I NG AT LEAST THREE TIMES FASTER THAN A PL AN BRUMMETT ADDED THAT WATCHED THE OBJECTS FROM FI VE TO EIGHT SECONDS AT WH I CH TIME HEY DISAPPEARED FROM SIGHT ACCORDING TO BRUMMETT THE OBJECTS WERE DESCRIBED BEING NOISELESS HAV I NG NO WINGS OR TA IL LIGHTER THAN ALUMINUM TAPERED AT BOTH ENDS AND ONE STAYED A LITTLE BEHIND AND A BIT ABOV THE OTHER AND BOTH MAINTA I ND EQUAL RATES OF SPEED FROM BRUMMETTS OBSERVATIO WAS UNABLE TO DEC I DE WHETHER THE OBJECTS WERE FLAT OR ROUND MRS MAM I ISH STATED THAT WHEN BRUMMETT CALLED HER ATENTION TO THE OBJECTS SHE TOOK A PASS I NG GLANCE AT THE SKY AND COULD OF ER NO DESCR I PT I ON OTHER HAN HEY OOKED LIKE TWO SI LVER BA LL RAVE ING AT A FAST RATE OF SPEED WILCOX END SHO LD PLS 28 PM OK FBI WASH DC GAR [PAGE 146] [PAGE 147] s:r-;,» FORM- NO 64 0-fkce Memorandum UNITED GOVERNMENT JJ TO Direct or FBI DATE September 20 1947 OM jJ SAC Chicago SUBJECT FLYING DISCS RIC~RD ½A.VER Informant Reference is made to yo ur letter dated august 11 1947 in the above captioned matter Sheriff FRED Bl\U t:c Henry County loodstock Illinois adv i sed that he had received no reports of f]ying dis cs in the ommuni of Lily Lake Illinois He further stated that he had no re ord or knowledge of RICHARD SHAVER of Lily Lake Deputy Sheriff FR.Af KELIER Li Iake Illinois advised that he was per sonally acquainted with RICf!A..~VERJ whom he described as a successful write of mystery stories He sa id he had no information to the effect that SHAVER was mentally unsound and he believed him to be a substantial itizen l!'s UurnES Lily lake Realty Company advised she had so property to ST11\VER on two oc casions and was well acquainted with SI-Itt.VER and his wife She knew of no der gatory inf ormation conce rn ing him RICHARD SHARPTTHA was inte viewed at Lily lake Illinois and advised that he was the featured wr iter of my tery ri es Q.J:..!f1tm azing 11 magazine which magazine is edited by EAYJ I 1iJ J...l of -'Davis Publishing Company Chicago Illinois SP.AVER at the outset stated that P.1:>.L,JER had told him th FBI would contact him ega dine flying discs $¥.AVER indicated that the telegram received by the i1ar Depa.rt~ent eferred to in eferenced letter was probably sen by one of his readers unknovm to him I said that he rrote mystery stories based on his firm convi ct ion that under the earth are var ious caverns formerly inhabited by a super race wh have since fled to other plane This region of caverns he alls Lem ur ia stated he believes there is valuab ma hine ry a nd othe es ur es i thes caver ns He therefore explained flying discs which he calls space ships as the mode of travel of the Ie ourians coming ro other plane to reclaim the valuable nachinery &.{A.VER indicated that his theories had aroused a wide following among readers of 11 Amazing 11 magazine SHA iER exhibited an article from an edition of the 11 Chicago Times fo sunta:"F ugust 1947 The article stated that on June 24 1947 on Murray Island off the Tashington Coast there had occurred a mysterious explosion which was believed to have been caused by a guided missile or rocket It furthe fi ed that he date of the explosion vras the same date on which one l\l.,'Nirn'.Cf~HOLD tJ a private pilot siehted the first flying disc at Boise Idahq oO JEi SfP 24 qt Of flSQ ¾A·IO COPIES DESTROYED NOV 18 1964 [PAGE 148] I i\-U f\J3S 1'1N~3l I [PAGE 149] Director FBI Re FLYING DISCS September 20 1947 The article went on to state that it was believed at the time that there was some correlation between the flying dis and the kurray Island explosion and that RAYl'OND PAU:'.ER Chicago magazine editor had employed APJfOLD to investi gate and 11 cover 11 the 1!urray Island explosion The artic went on to state that on August 1947 at Tacoma Washington there was a conference among officials of the Army and Navy who discussed the possible relation between the i;urray Island explosion and the appearance of flying discs ARNOLD was supposed to have been in attendance at this conference At the conference authorities br ought samples of a lava oxide metal allegedly taken from the scene of the urray Island expl osion lhe article stated that following the conference two pilots left by plane for Hamilton F'ield California car ying samples of the lava oxide metal The article further reported that the plane crashed near Hamilton Field California and it w·as conjectured that the plane had exploded by reason of the combustion of the lava oxide metal it carried From the above ne,vspaper article it should be noted that RAYLOND PAIJ.lER SHAVEF employer was from the start 11 exploiting 11 the appearance of the flying dis cs possibly to enhance the appeal of SHA.VER stories It is possible therefore that the entire flying disc theory was conceived by PAI.MER and SHA VE't OAG lab 100-18999 [PAGE 150] FORM NO 64 Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT I To D:!rector FBI SA.C Anchorage e.r SUBJECT lying Disks Reference is made to Bureau Bulletin No 41 dated July 30 1947 This is to advise that two arIJ\1 officers rep a rted to the Office of the Director of Intelligence headquarters Alaskan Departnent at ort Richardson Alaska that they had witnessed an object passing through the air at a tremendous rate of sp eed wh ich could not be judged as to miles per hour The first office stated that his attention was attracted to this airborne object and he in turn pointed it out to the second of ficer The object appeared to be shaped like a sphere and did not give the inpress i on of being saucer-like or co~arable to a disk The first officer stated that i would be impossible to g:i,ve minute details con cerning the object but that it appeared to be approximatel two or three feet in diameter and did not eave any vapor trail in the sky Both officers atteapted to determine the approximate altit ude of the object and from a weather group stationed nearby it was de termined that cloud formations at the time the object was sighted were scattered above 10,000 feet 11 The object wa noted to be traveling belc:M the cloud formation The first officer stated that in his opin i on the object ap peared to be metallic and was silver in color nuch like the color of many airp anes The second officer stated substantia ly tbe same facts and also pointed out that the object renained within his vision for ap proxi.nately 15 to 20 seconds When sighted the object was traveling due south at a speed considerab in excess of any plane The second officer stated that the object appeared to him to be approximately 10 feet in diameter and compared it to half the size of a full moon on an ordinary night The seco officer based the altitude at approximately the same as the first officer except for the fact that due to the size be believed the object to be he estimated the altitude to be only approximately 3,000 or 4,000 feet The object appeared broadside to the second officer and no evidence of a spinning motion or reflection was noted As to the color the secoxt pointed out that it appeared to be a dull retal finish 1:,r.tnooo i If Ir VI i 11t OPIES DESTROYED 11 NOV 18 1964 gO [PAGE 151] a H:Jl1J WNH3J.N 8tJ I 92 [PAGE 152] Letter to Director FBI 9-17-47 Re Flying Disks In concl usion the seccnd officer pointed out that one of the rene.rkable features of this object was that it was definitely traveling against the wind The exact date of the sighting of this object was not fur nished this office and inasmch as it occurred previous to the re ceipt of Bureau instructions in this matter no further investigation is being corxiucted by this office unless specifically requested to do so by the Bureau 100-1403 HLM GWH [PAGE 153] ST ANDAR FOR NO 64 Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVER Director FBI A TE September~47 I SAC Philadelphia SUBJE CT FLYING OBJECT REPORTED OVER PHILADELPHIA AUGUST 1947 cD SABOTAGE Remytel August last i·A/n Miss ELEANOR"NADDLE 2114 Hobart Street Philadelphia who is employed by the GEORGE rt GREENlfALD MANUFACTURING COMPANY 1524 Chestnut Street Phila delphia advised as follows fr &iir R?:i- Between 10:30 and 10:~-P on August 1947 she was sitting on the steps of her home with CECELl¥FINE She was facing north and observed a large white object traveling a a very fast rate of speed to the-.south There -was a buzzing sound not too loud but plainly audible just after this object passed through the air This white object left in its traj.__r thin streak of smoke which was grayish in color Miss CECELIA FINE 5617 Arlington Street Philadelphia who is em- Ir I ployed by the PRESSMAN GUTMAN COMPANY INC Room 1140 P.S.F.S Building Philadelphia stated she -was sitting on the steps of Miss NADDLE's home on the evening of August 1947 around 10:45 p.m engaging in conversation with Miss NADDLE when Miss NADDLE al:ruptly stopped in the middle of her con versation and appeared to be frightened Miss FINE at that time was sitting in a position in which she was facing south She did not see any object in the sky after noting Miss NADDLE's change of expression but she did hear a slight buzzing sound JOHN SNYDER 1440 Vankirk Street Philadelphia an insurance agent who was a former pilot of B-24 in the Army Air Corps advised as follows He was sitting on the steps of his home around 10:45 p.m on August 1947 with his wife and his neighbors the KELLY family were sitting on their steps next door to the residence of NYD All of the above parties were facing east SNYDER noticed at this ime an object emitting a bluish white flame passing quickly through the air The object was traveling from northeast to southwest Using his exp erience in the Army Air Corps as a guide SNYDER estimated the above object was between 1000 and 3000 feet in the air and traveling at a rate of between 400 to 506 miles an hour This object d1a not lose elevation as it passed through the air and left either smoke or a condensation trail in its former path which sted for about two seconds A hissing sound accompanied the pas1~ng object This sound was moder- ate and not nearly as loud as th a ompanyi.ng the passage of a rocke ship n:oonDEI.l i2.2.-.- c::i fL If lN OPms rn~R WT';D ff-Xi!r 270 NOV 18 l!,b4 [PAGE 154] I LllJO 1VNU3J tl did ltJ I 92 Cl lt l3:J3li [PAGE 155] Director FBI September 18 1947 JOHN KELLY 1442 Vankirk Street who is a retired police officer of the Philadelphia Police Department advised as follows Around 10:45 p.m on August 194 he and his wife were sitting on the steps their home when KELLY noticed an object resembling to him a giant firecracker pass quickly through the air KELLY heard no noise but the object had completely passed from view in a southern direction within a split second It left a fiery trail for about 100 feet August 1947 was a clear night and no storm was brewing KELLY was sure the object he saw was no falling star and he noted the above object did not seem to be falling but maintained the same altitude The wives of SNYDER and KELLY verified the accounts of their husbands as to the above-mentioned object It is to be noted that the SNYDERS and the KELLYS live in Northe~t Philadelphia near Oxford Circle which is about ten miles removed from the residence of Miss NADDLE Ml.ss NA.DDLE's residence is located in the western part of Philadelphia The Misses NADDLE and FINE are not known to the above mentioned KELLIS and SNYDERS rt is further noted the observation of Miss NADDLE the KELLYS and the SNYDERS roughly correspond All of the above persons seem reliable and not the type to seek publicity or to spread rumors Miss NADDLE and JO~LLX called the Inquirer Philadelphia news paper and inquired if it could offer any eJq)lanation as to what they had seen A representative of that paper had advised Miss NADDLE and KELLY that the object they saw may have been some product of an oil refinery or chemical company in their neighborhood oth the Offices of Naval Intelligence and Army Intelligence in Phila delphia were requested by the Philadelphia Office to ascertain if either the Army or the Navy was doing any experimental work on new types of lanes or equipment in the vicinity of Philadelphia Such was done wi th negative re sults The Office of Naval Intelligence indicated that an explosion had oc curred at the CHARLES LENNIG CHEMICAL COMPANY on August 19 A GIMBEL Safety Department of the CHARLES LENNIG CHEMICAL COMPANY INC 5000 Richmond Street Philadelphia advised.as follows The above company is a manufacturer and distributor of chemicals A fire had occurred on a dump of the company on August 194 but was quickly gotten under control Such fire was confined to the company's prem ises and co uld not have been observed from outside the plant The CHARLES [PAGE 156] Di.rector FBI September 18 194 LENNIG COMP.ANY is about t~o and one-half miles southeast from Oxford Circle The account of the fire does not seem to fit into the general pattern of the above-mentioned flying obj~ct for itis noted that the flying object was allegedly traveling from a position northeast of Oxford Circle to a south westerly direction in Philadelphia GIMBEL pointed out that to the best of his knowledge there are no oil refineries and chemical companies located around Oxford Circle or north of such but that all of the companies of this type are several miles south of Oxford Circle All logical investigation having been conducted no further action will be taken on the instant matter unless advised to the contrary by the Bureau FFB/ctg 98-1?62 [PAGE 157] JA RECORDED ol sor It i Cl Ol avln Lad Nichols- Rosen acv El:an Gurne ar bo i ohr enrln Qu1m 7arJn ol Ro a SeptembGI 27 1947 l!a jor Gezs.eral George MoDonald leaiatant Chief ilr statt The Pentagm ilaabin ear General JloDo The Federal Bureau of Inftst1ga.t1on baa been requeated by your oitice to aes1at in the 1nveatigat1on ot reportod aipt inga of tl.ying oa attention baa been called to 1Datruot1on disseminated by the Air Foroea rel&tiw to tbia a.tter I have been ad"fiaed that these J.natructioJlS 1nclicat.e that the Air Foroea would inter Tin reaponeible obaervere hi:le the FBI would inwstipte inoidenta or diaoa to\Dld on the ground th ereby relleri.Dg the Air Foroea or rumiing down inoidenta which mn,y ca.sea turned out to be uh oan covera toilet aeat and whatnot ID Yin ot the apparent underat:anlling by the Air Foroea or the poaition ot the Federal.Bureau ot Investigation in thia matter I OAIUlOt pel"Jlit the J>8N<mnel and time ot this organisa tion to be 4iaa1pa:ted in this manner I advising the Field D1Tia1cma ot the Fede?'&l Bureau ot Inveatigation to diaoontinue all 1nvoat1gative aotirlty regard- ing the reported aightinga of flying di1011 and am instructing them to reter all oampl&inta reoe1nd to the a propi-iaw Air Foro repreaentat1 ft in their area Sincerely yours 11c£er Ho Vt,,l lr t-:68!:!0 ss Oan:I [PAGE 158] I 1r,f.Y.J li{,Jf111 It I 17- ftt.CEW fO a Jcv1 E-?t 31 I I rLco- Aa no II UOt f-1tC1./0f.1 tffE.f\M SE ua n.:-p i [PAGE 159] STANDARD FORM NO 84 ffi~e,Metnorandum UN I TED STATES GOVER MENT TO IA.DD FLYING DI ATB September 25 1947 Ill To ls on ROM Ill Ill Cl egg Ill la i 01 UBJECT wr Rose anne a Harbo by the Air Forces Intelligence to assist the Air Forces in attempting to arrive at an explanation of the above rei phenomena The Air Forces indicated that the alleged sightings of flying Ille Gandy discs might have been made by i ndividuals of Commum.st sympathies for the purpose of causing ma.ss hysteria in the United States over the fear of a secret Russian weapon The Bureau agreed to assist in the investigation of the reported sightings and the Field was advised in Bureau Bulletin No 42 Series 1947 dated July 30 1947 that they should investigate each instance which was brought to their attention of the sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether or not it was a bona fid sighting an imaginary one or a prank The results of the inve tigation conducted by the Bureau Field Offices in this matter have failed to reveal any indication of subversive indi iduals being involved in any of the reported sightings The Bureau has received a communication in the captioned matter from the Special Agent in Charge at San Francisco dated Se ptember 19 1947 which attached a restricted letter that was furnished confidentially to the SAC at San ranoisoo by Lieutenant Colonel Donald Springer Ar-my Air Foroes Hamilton Field California a copy of which is attached hereto It is noted that the letter which is dated September 1947 is signed By Command of Lieutenant General Stratemeyer 11 by ol nel Smith Assistant Chief of Staff Intelligence eadquarters Air Defense Command Mitchel Field New York and is addressed to the Connnanding Generals of the various Air Forces This letter is entitled Cooperation of FBI with A.AF on Investigations of Flying Disc Inci ents This letter states in substance that it was the original intent of the A.C/AS-2 Headquarters Arrey A.ir Forces that whereas the ADC A.ir Foroe would interview responsible observers the FBI would investigate incidents of so- called discs being found on the ground urther it indicates that the services of the FBI were enlisted in order to relieve the numbered A.ir Forces of the task of trackin down all the many instances which turned out to be ash can covers toil et seats and whatnot vfV RECOMMENDATION It is reoonnn.ended that the Bureau protest vigorously to the Assistant Chief of Air Staff It is also reoommenct'ed that the Buraau discontinue all activity in this field and that the Bureau Field Offices be advised to discon tinue all investigations and to refer all complaints received to the A'ir orces A proposed Bulletin is attached for your a proval l'f nt I CO ci I 1.1l A ii 11 i l)l [PAGE 160] NV ro c11s [PAGE 161] I HEAD QU ART RS AIR FE NSE CO W.AND Mitchel li i ld Ne York In reply ref to D333.SEX September 1947 SUB JECT Cooperation of FBI ith Ail on Investigations of Flying iso Ino ident TOr Comm a ndin Genrals First econd Fourth Tenth lev nth and Fourteenth Air Forces ATT NTI ONr Assistant Chief of taff The Federal Bureau of Inve sti ation has agreed to assist Air Force Intelligence personnel in the inves ation of flying disc inoidents in order to quickly and effectively rule out what are pranks and to conoentrate on what appears to be a genuine inoident It was the original intent of the AC/AS-2 Headquarters Army Air Foroes that whereas the ADC Air Foroes would intervi ew respon sible observers whose names would be furnished by AAF the FBI would investigate incidents of so called discs being found on the ground The services of the FBI were enlisted in order to relieve the numbered Air Forces of the task of tracking down all the many instances which turned out to be ash can covers toilet se ats and whatnot It is requested that each informally coordinate and cooperate with the FBI generally keeping the FBI informed of any proposed calls that intelli gence personnel will make on this subject Ve ry shortly with the separation of the AAF from the War Department a firm polioy ill be established to clarify the liaison arran gements between A-2•s and FBI peoial Agents Presently it is considered inadvisable to promulg ate a formal interim policy only to have it replaced in a month or so by another BY COMMAND LIEUTENANT HERAL TRATE ME YERr R.H MITH SMITH Colonel SC Asst Chief of st a ff-In ell [PAGE 162] Office Men vv,J dum UN I TE STA TE OVER ENT TO DATE SE PTEMBER 23 1947 MR IADD I IJJ llr Tolson FROM Ur A FITCH IJ't m~n 01 SUBJE CT INST RUMENT OUND ON FARM NEA 11r Rosen DANF ORTH ILLIN OIS C:J Wj~n PM a -w=n Reference is made a emorandum Harbo from Baughman i uJ wr Neas on the above-ca tioned matter dated Se tember 1947 The reference memorandum indicates that the instrument has bee examined by the Ia.bo ratoi,~r~~H and the laboratory had contacted a Mr Whe don of the A.rrrry- Eng ineers and she If I indicated that the instrument had been used by the air orces on tests which were classified as Top Secret The memorandum indicates that Special Agents Heynolds of the Liaison Section contacted the Intelligence Division of the Air orces and was advised that Mrs Whedon alluded that the instrument was used in Operation ogul he instru ment was loaned to the Intelli ence Division of the Air Fo rces wh in turn forwarded it to ri ht Field The report was received from Wright ield indicatin the ins ti ument had no connection wi eration ogul or any other operation at Wright Field It was clas ified as a ho'b in view of the a parent discrepancy between informati on developed from Mr Wh edon and nfonnation received from Intelli ence Division of the Air or es that he Bureau might wish to pursue th i matt er urther Mr Zinnners of the echnical Aboratory advised eynolds of th Liaison Section that Mrs Whedon had told him that a ajor opkins handled the Liai son in jlshin ton for the tests in which this instrument was used Id.eutenant Col nel George Ge.rrett of the Intelli ence Division of the Air Forces advised Special A gent eynolds that he contacted Major opkins advised ha ajor opk ins has had a great deal of experience in radio and a on technical lines ajor opkins advised Colonel Garrett that the instrument could not have been used in the Op eration og ul opkins indicated that from the ictures and particl es ecovered it a peared to hi be a part or portions of an old type ra dio loud speaker In view of the informat i on received fro ajor Hopk ins olone Ge.:rr st a ted that he was at a loss as to ow to exp lain the actions of rs Whedon other than to say that she per hap gave a false impression as to her knowledge of the instrument and the peration ogul Garrett poi nt ed out that in view of the eport received from right ield together with the statement made by a or Hopkins he felt that there was sufficient evi dence that this instrum nt was not used in any Wat Bep r-tmte classif i ed project and that in all robability it was ust a hoax flu ce RECOMMENDATION the echnical Ia.borat ry [PAGE 163] ECEt vr RECEI VED Nl rA A BOR A ror LIA ISO SEt ION OFP i qi HJST•r rr I 02 AM I fB PT 01- 11;-r [PAGE 164] I TSNAD-2B/AC/tk 25 August 1947 Aut hority F.lying Saucer NN 90986 i'O Co:mnanding General A?'i!tY 11:r Forces fash1n,<:t1'n Afi'N AC AW Lt Cvl George OGJTOtt The specil111nis of an alleged ltfl.ying Saucer brought to thia CaammC Co1onel cC07 which were o'titilried°o the FBI and gi:nu to Lt Col Oarret.t were exa:m.ined to determine thei.r connection Brl1 1llS th tibe ea-called n,-1.ng Saucen,e or an project at us right Fi.eld fbe speoiJilfllo were earerul.17 eD3lined ib7 both tecbnic1.o.na ot the Anal:yl,ie D1viaion am Blectronics Sub-divisim Thi lat~r organization stated that these epecimens detiniteq bad no ccmnection whatsoever with the IIJlogul project nor with other oearch end deval opmont pro3ect ot thiG Cor;pand It also the opinion ot this Command that tbaae specimeno ban connection With the so-called PlT,1113 Saucer or 1)1.ec These specimens thel"'Gfore are ca:ieidored as part ot a hou that oould be per petrated by most m17011e seeking pnbl.ici ty er for any other reasom The specimens man in tbs attached photograph include trae ments ot an 1mdetermi.nable sbape made trca plaster ot parie sim1lar ceruic am1 containing soi:.e electrical resistance wire far meawrement or heating purposes The condi ticn of the cerr.mic indicates that tbs resistance m..re was heated electricall;r at one t.ime or another i'h!se tragmsnta coold not be connected 1'1,th aD.Y project The other articles at too top of the photograph reading trm left to right are 1d~tif as toUOWB a.P Ii a An out.oded type of magnetic speaker diapbraga e>t almll inWI alloy IL8I1U.facturec bf The Nathaniel Baldrin CcmipaJ1Y ot Sslt tab City Jtab which was f'irst petented 191v This article cannot be connected ntb mq AJ&C project The secO!ld md t.~n:1 articles a.re bakelite coil orms EC OR])EIJ [PAGE 165] co ur sh ro jeot 118 Sauoen Wl'apped with thln enaaeled ocJ.!)er w:tn The co111 indicaw t.hi.t thq ware k1llf'ol]t a OD1 tiu but nre orudeq r,wrap;,ed one not taSl1ar Witb tha art ot I\IJdng a ooU i'beN oolla also have no comieotian with an Am project l'bl tourtb artiole a metallic baE 1ihich the re,aa1na or aa e1-ctrcm1o ttlt.iar c::::adenaer made tho Po~t anutacaring OOll'p&IV ot Nn lork fb1 ar-t1ola aleo bu no co:nnsot.1ai with ET pro bcl tlf\h artioi la the remalna ot a tame tio ri131 that coul.4 not be iden~d Af1T par of fltf¥ dtrlce used at tb1 cornmN14 fha 1nfonaat.1CD and attao-.1 photograph be tranold t.ted to tlJe Pm to intom nric,uca apnc:le Uu-ouahout the Um.wd States as t.o ma aots.m to take in tbt eftllt other aiallai- speotmen an tQmd PG I CO m>Dn GEUERI.L lloeo Incli Colontl Ail Corpa Photo a-;]/2XU n.piv Ocm.iral P'J.11.ng Saucertt Int.ll.1gence GO PlflDEPfflAL [PAGE 166] ENCLOSURE ENCLOSUUE [PAGE 167] 233130 [PAGE 168] [PAGE 169] I DATE FORM NO 114 Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVER NM EN Director FBI SAC Salt Lake City Cf FLYING DISCS Remytel tenth instant On September 10 1947 an ite relative to flyin saJcers appeared in Salt La~e Tribune indica'ting~J two younr couples Mr and Mrs GA}'LON hf LDWELL and Mr am.Mrs RICHA RSOM Lo1<an Ctah who had been playing bridp:e reoorted that they saw three brief flip.hts of saucers the first at 10:40 p.m and two more before 11 10 the eve~i Septe ber 1947 This news·article contained the narrie sof KEITJr1fiJGHES JO~.KSTON and Mr and Mrs F~ruNELL of Logan who had likewise.made separate renorts of havin observed these flyinr discs Mr and Mrs RICHARD ANDERSO when interviewed by an Afl'ent of this office advised that they in company with and Mrs GAYLON CALD'.'JELL observed apn oximatel a dozen objects f'lyin_g in p:roup formation at about two or three thousand feet i the air They stated that they irst observsd these o~jects on Sentember 1947 at 10:30 when their bridge game ro ke uo and both COlDles went out on the porch The A~l'DERSONS believed these obiects to be similar i size to nip-eons and stated that they seemed to be rather nhite and illuminated T~ey infor~ed hat the obiects could have been birds howeve they appeared to be ovin faster than birds as they circled the city in aryoroximatqly one to two minutes and then disappeared in a northern directio Mr and rs ANDERSON claimed to have observed no wing movement during the flight and are unable to make up their minds as to exactly what they saw A DERSON informed that and Mrs CALDWELL are presently en route to an unknown city in Nebraska KEITH HUGHES and JOAN CROOKSTON both advised that they ware unable to state how their names appeared in the newspaper as havin observed ying sa..ioers inasrnuch as neithe had ever had the op_oortunity to view he~e- f.Vin objects and the newspaper report was erroneous Mra FRED THUNELL advised that she her husband,and five other eople had observed flying ob jeots between 10:30 and 11:00 rn on the evening of September 1947 She stat~d that they saw five iioups each containinr thirt~r five to sixty small objects which we~e ra ther yellowish white in color and were circlin the city at a hi~h ra te of soeed Mrs THUNELL st ated that these objects Nere several o~sand feet in the air and it was i po ssible fo the to determine the aze due to the distance sneed and 9-oudy-z t¥Jti RECORDED INDEXED b.:l Mrs THUNELLE that 1~1r r;h~~AAU HA~M MIW nND and Mrs BES KS re int IGclobserve~e fl~in qi det•7n whJ th ¾ts 49 [PAGE 170] [PAGE 171] Mr and Mrs NO Loran Jtah advised that they view ed flying objects travelTiii clockwise above the city at an nrox ima tely 30 the evening of Sente~ber 1947 They info med that they first believed the objeots to be liP-hts of e.n airrylane Howeve these objects seemed to chane:e in for.nati on and aooeared to be similar to a gr oup of moving stars Mr and Mrs HALL believed these objects were traveling much faster than birds It was determined that Mr and rs Ai-m ERSON and Mrs BESSIE HFNDRICKS were not available for interview Captain NAS Military IntelliP-ence Division Fort Do•..tglas Salt Lake City Utah is beinr advised by letter of the res~lts of this investi P-ation In view of the indefinite information fu nished relacive to this matter no further investiP-ation is being conducted by this office SMK L~S AMSD [PAGE 172] 421 TI A venue Spokane fiashington Augus"t 1947 Miliwry Intelligence Ill.vision s.A l!cChord Field l'fo.shington Gentlemen FollO?ring the reading of an account or the visit af Er Kcn:roth Arnold Boise lcbho as published in the Spo1'"..csman Revlon under date o:r Au'"'-ust 1947 tho undel:3igned considered the enclosed accou.."lt of an obscrv:1tion or a 11 flying saucor 11 would be or interest to you Thi:J account has not been given to any neWSIXlper or oliher putlica tion us yet Yours tru l.adden MADDEN Division Plant Mgr The Pac Tel Tel Co [PAGE 173] port on a Fl.y.i.n3 ucer At or rout 12:05 p.m 29 1947 a sedan driven Stove Herrr:ann and carrying Bob awn t.ho rront aeat and Kllrl lbr.D3nn in tt rear seat pr-ocoodinG nortJrueot.er ly along the road leoding rom Caeyon eny to York both in l!ontans some 2.5 miles Helen:1 at po int approximtc mile or Canyon Ferry as ohown on Foreot Service to be tm NE or llE or 10 n011 Rm Karl suddenly shouted Sec it See it There a Oy1ng saucer I Steve intoly sloned domi am dually broueht too sunan t.o a atop he an:i Bob &anft bile scanning the sey in the d.1.rcction pointed by Korl an ei'£art to soe tm 11 flyine onucer 11 but thout uccess Approxmiately ton seconds elapsed betl1cen the Xarl report.od aeoing the sauceru coI:11.ng over the horiton at high apeod trom the southv:oot Knrl first thcraght a meteor and tra vel.11ng northeasterly and the briJJeing of the car to a stop As the car cane to a stop tove Karl and Bob m.multaneously atm tho follo;1iQc Direct ahead ii to ell.es dismnt and approxi!:mto rt above the grcr.md a bright disc hovering and nutter.1.ng in the air Dcoccnd lnt and rinin through vertical distance or fifty or a bWldrcd feet for a period of about five seconds then while at the top of nn ascent tho ri.:H.oc suddenly moop:?d to the Northeast at treocndoua speed and di.sap red into too clear air m.thi.n a diotance of 200 i't Th to eay it did not p:30D beyond an obstruction to 1'urtber v1Dibil1ty blt c:elt.od into thin nir iu bccall!le of tre;;xmdoua apeod This disc as from the vic"apo1nt or the observero oppc.ron ft in d.ilu:13tor circulnr un:1 of 110 ercat thiclmoDS approxiL:ote or incbos The oey uas blue ith scattered m:Dll clouda the 6Uil 1rao ohinin bri.chtly nm the disc e).camed and ahir:::13rcd tho brlebt cru llicht oo it covered m.th highly p:>liehed niclml After the di.Ge di&1 rcd.f ro:J Vien the secbn and it occup:mto roceeded nortJmostcrly alone tho road llUt discern no evidcnco of the sence or the disc along or adjacent to that tb>ro tare It io to be rc:iemoored tmt too dimnotons as stated abov ro ac llf!Y appe3red to thO observan OOl:lC or miles rrom the di0c 11 nd the true dimnm-ons USt be cone:tdcrobly grcn tor Uldclon l!ADDI:21 Divia1:on Pl.ant Ehgr 7hc Pac Tel Tel Co [PAGE 174] Ofl'F IC RE A OF TH CHIEF I SP CTO I DE ARTMENT OFFI OF I NSPECTOR Barkow IN SPE CT Chioago Illinoi AS 56114-F rof September 19 1947 LA Kifitl sr ILLINOIS All eged violation of Section 2350 es Aro Foundation sa of informa tion oo flying disos Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington Gentl emen The subject involved in oas of above desoription is Vstevens formerly of Lake For est I linois who may al so have given a Chicago address at various times Can you advise wheth er you have a ecor of is man and if so will you pl ease forward a copy of same to me Sin er ely yours Post Offic Inspector RECOIDJm lND u.t J.j- I ll 31 EP 21 °47 lr--aa [PAGE 175] Offi ce Memorandum uN rTEn sTAT Es GOVER ME NT TO DATE Septem£ 1947 DIRECTOR FBI PROM SAC SEA.TTLE suaJEcr Fun msc SIGh'TED 29 94 AN YO FERRY BY Rii BTEVE oo A UW ANN and DDEN SECURITY l!ATTER Enclosed herewith for information of Bureau and Butte Di.vision are copies of the following received Septel:lber 1947 from Air Force YcChord Field Washington PETERSON bg 100-18945 Enclosures cc Butte f'T U!tter to Military Int lligence Division USA 1.!cChord Field &sh from l!ADDEN 3rd Ave Spokane bash dated 8/8/47 with enclosure of Madden I Report on a Flying Saucer 11 lfo action being ta}fen by Seatt [PAGE 176] REC E/1/fo LIAISON 11 011 19 IS tC RECE IVED 18 ID 11 A NTfR NAL SECU RI I t1F ee Zr 19 PN frE RHAL Sf UR i I [PAGE 177] September 24 19,7 Kr li Barkow Inepeotor Poet Office Department Ohioago lllinoie Alleged violation ot beot1on 2360 by de Arc Poundat1onJ tale of information on flying dieoe Reference made to your letter dated September 19 19,7 reque1ting intomation rege.rding one Stevena your oaee ll You are ad vlaed that an effeot1Te aearoh cann ot be oonduoted through the file of the Identification Divieion of the Federa Bu reau of Inve•tigation on the baaie of the name only It you are able to fur nish the phyeioal deeorlption of Steven or oth,r means of 1dentif1oation euoh aa a regiatry number a eearoh will be oonduate t.n effort to turniah you with the info~ation dee ired I RHG:jb To son A c1egg la oI:;s l:~o- PeMington Quinn 8111!l eNe~::n- Oan<ly COMMUNICATIONS SECTION MAILED SEP 1947 P.M FEDERAL BUREAU OF IN'f'..ESTIGATION ARlME.NT OF JLJSTlCE [PAGE 178] Sept S"tANOARD FORM NO 454 Offic Jylemorandum UNITED a GOVERNMENT DATE TO DIRECTOR FBI 947 t)(:lROM SAC SEATTLE SUBJECT FJ:YING DIS orted by BRU~l~'l"RONG and A,ttrICHOLS Seattle:...,.w s~ton August 12 1947 SECURITY MATI'ER The newspaper Seattle Post Intelligencer carried an a rticle in the morning issue of August 13 reporting the sighting of flying disks The art icle appeared on the fifth page and ias headed 11 Blue Triangle LatestThing Seen I Disks 11 Under this caption there vas a short writeup v·hich stated in substance that one BRUCE ARMSTRONG an el ectronics technician and a number of other en gineers at the Boeing Aircraft hed sighted a mysterious flying object about 2:20 on August 12 The newspaper report further stated that the object seemed to be fluttering like a leaf and appeared to be a black or dark blue triangular substance In this article also appeared another report of a disk supposedly sighted by one NICHOLS 1125 102nd Street Seattle and NICHOLS des crib~d it as a big ball reflecting light giving it a purplish tinge In terview v•i th BRUCE ARMSTRONG on August 13 revealed that ARMSTRONG was standing in front of Section of the Boeing Aircraft Plant with about ten other research engineers and h~d noticed a small black object flying about 200 feet high going south over Boeing Field run a ARMSTRONG further stated upon interview that the object appeared triangular in shape and floated in the air like a leaf and he estimated the speed be about fifteen miles per hour ARMSTRONG could not accurate determine the distance between him end the obj but it is noted that Section Dis about half a mile from the opposite side of Boeing Fie where he supposedly had sighted it t,,J The follo wing other research engineers were also int erv iewed regarding this object Mr JOH STONER Mr GEORGE TONER RE CORDED Mr BEN HAGER I Ir INDEXED Mr LEROY PERKINS Mr DAN HAGE 11 The consensus of opinion of these men was th~t the objec resembled a tilack iar in flight and looked more like a piece of tar paper than anyfiling mle.rt the object reached the end of the runway in Boeing Field it climbed into the sky in a south westerly direction and disappeared Mr KEN GRPNT op the control tower for the Northwest Airlines was then contacted Mr d_-rr stated that he reviews all reports of objects seen in the vicinity of the end makes a log of such Mr GRANT reviewed his log but could not nJ repord of such item but upon contact with Yir VAUGHN LOCK'"OOD wh duty at the tire the object was supposedly sighted the follov,ing in.1.v~yion wa obtained LOCK:100D stated that about clock in the OPIES DR~'!'ROYPD 27 NOV no4 [PAGE 179] [PAGE 180] DIRECTOR FBI FLYING DISKS Report of 8/26/47 afternoon there were several pieces of burnt paper which flew over the field and he did recall a large piece of l:urnt paper which the wind had blown across the runway and down the south end of the field LOCKVlOOD estimated that the paper v,as approximately three feet in length Mr GRANT stated that undoubtedly this was the object in question and inasmuch as the control tower has a complete view of the area in which the engineers had sighted this object if anything fur ther was noted it would have appeared in the log Mr A NICHOLS 1119 102nd Street was then interviewed regard ing his report of a flying object NI CHOLS stated that about on August 12 he had sighted an object which he estimated to be about 35,000 feet in the air which was ying over his home in a southwest direction A neighbor RAY STANLEY also saw the object and STANLEY examined the same with a pair of binoculars According to STAlJLEY the object looked like a -nite dock mov ing cy lindrical in shape and reflected the light of the sun with a sort of purp li sh tinge Other witnesses who had seen the object at this ti re were a Mr and Mrs GEORGE KROGSTADT of 1113 102nd Street Seattle and their version of the object corresponded with that of NICHOLS and STANLEY Contact with THQi!AS GERMJ,IN of the Seattle Weather Bureau Office at Boeing Field revealed that weather balloons are released every six hours from his field co inrrencing at 1:30 a The balloons according to Mr GERMAIN are of a white gum color and reflect the light of the sun at a high altitude A though Mr G3RHAIN could not understan:i why a balloon could have been sighted at he nevertheless was certain that from the description of the object seen by these people it must have been either one of his ba lloon or one released fro some other area in the vicinity No further investigation is being conducted in this matter by this office JJS:JG 62 [PAGE 181] llttal Bur:au ol lnuestigation Bnit.eh itate.G il.epartm.ent nf ih.utic..e 422 Federal Office Building Civic Center J.S an Francisco California IN REPLY PLEASE REFER TO September 19 1947 P'lLE NO Direotor FBI Attention Assistant irector LADD RE RE PO RTS OF FLYING DISCS Dear Sir:- I am transmitting herewith copies of a -estricted letter da September 1947 which was furnished to me by Lieutenant Colonel DON SPRINGER Army Air Forces Hamilton Field California which letter is designated to certain Commanding Generals in the Army Air Forces from Colonel R.H SMITH Assistant Chief of Staff Intelligence Headquarters Air Defense Command Mitchel Field New York concerning Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of Flying Disc Incidents It is my understanding from recent Bureau instructions that we are to assist the Air Force Intelligence personnel in the investigation of flying disc incidents However it will be noted from the attached etter that it is Army interpretation that it was their intent that the Bureau would investi gate those incidents of the so-oal ed discs being found on the ground and apparently not those which are observed only in flight Further the atten tion of the Bureau is respectfully called to paragraph two of this letter and to the last sentence therein which states The services of tp.e were enlisted in order to rel i eve the numbered Air Forces of the task of tracking all the iiiiiiy urstances whioh turned out to be ash can covers toilet seats and whatnot In the first place the instructions issued by the ArJJiy Air Forces in this letter appear to lim i the type of investigations which the Bureau will be asked to handle and secondly it appears to me the wording of the last sentence in the second paragraph mentioned above is cloaked in entire uncalle for language ending to indicate the Bureau will be asked to con?uo inve~t~gations only in those oases which are not important and which are YU almost in fact ridiculous The thought has occurred to me the Bureau ight desire to discuss this matter f'urther with the Army Air FQrces both as to the types of investi gations which we will conduct and also to object to the scurrilous wordage which to say the least is insulting to the Bureau in the last sentence of paragraph two elilco~nEJn lt i LI.~- I I Jv{uJf Al I l,'v Ind JI fx BJ OCT fJ tl tt Cl 1J47 rv [PAGE 182] i I ll a 11 IM003S 1VNM3J.N1 Hd 62 03M333H I [PAGE 183] Very truly yours gent in Charge Director FBI 9/19/47 RE REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS In the event the Bureau decides to discuss the matter further with the Army Air Forces it is recommended that no indication whatsoever be given indicating this letter was referred to me by Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER inasmuch as it would undoubtedly cause him serious embarrassment and would certainly cause the excellent personal relationship which exists between Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER and this office to be endangered Ha Me KimlSa HMKimhr 62-2938 [PAGE 184] HEAD QU ARTERS AIR DEFENSE COMMAND itchel ield New York In reply refer tor 333 SEX September 1947 UB JECTa Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of Flying Disc Incidents TOs Commanding Genrals First Second Fourth Tenth Eleventh and Fourteenth Air Forces ATTENTI Ns Assistant Chief of Staff The Federal Bureau or Investigation has agreed to assist Air Force Intelligence personnel in the investigation of flying disc incidents in order to quickly and effectively rule out what are pranks and to concentrate on what appears to be a g•nuine incident It was the original intent of the AC/AS-2 Headquarters Army Air Forces that whereas the ADC Air Forces would interview respon sible observers whose names would be furnished by AAF the FBI would inv•stigate incidents of so called discs being found on the gr und The services of the FBI were enlisted in order to relieve the numbered Air Forces of the task of tracking down all the many instances which turned out to be ash can covers toilet se ats and whatnot It is requested that each informally coordinate and cooperate with the FBI generally keeping the FBI informed of any proposed calls that intelligence personnel will make on this subject Very shortly with the separation of the AAF from the War Department a firm policy will be established to clarify the liaison arrangements between A-2•s and FBI Special Agents Presently it is considered inadvisable to promulgate a formal interim policy only to have it replaced in a month or so by another BY COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL ST:RATEMEYER R.H SMITH SMITH If Colone GS Asst Chief of statf-Intell [PAGE 185] I FLYING DISCS Effective 1i:r.medlatoly the ur eR.u hna discontinued its tnvesti go ti ve ac ti vi ties as outllned in Section of Buroo.u Bulletin rto 42 Series 1947 dated July 30 1947 All futu.i.·e reports conne ed th flying discs should bo referred to the Air Forces and no 1nvest11;:o:ti ve actio shou ld be taken by Bureau Agents 41941 [PAGE 186] Office Nlemoranaum uNrTEn sTATEs Gov hRNMENT TO Director FBI DATE September 27 1947 Butte SUBJECT FLYIN DISCS SIGHTED MAY 1947 BE'ffl'EEN EL!EllSBURG AND SEATTIE ASHI GT ON We.rd.en JOmt"HENRY Montana State Prison Door Lodgo Montana has advised the writer that while driving between Ellensburg and Seattle Washing ton about 3:30 P.M on May 1947 ha sighted a silver object streaking aoross the sky This was also seen by MELBOURlTE J.t<lfILL con-net chauff ur and Yrs HElffiY This objeot wont into a nose dive and they thought it would crash However before reaching the earth it disintegrated leaving a long pillar of ga hanging in the sky It was partioularly odd oecause this re mained in form and did not blOW uwo.y It was observed by these three people while they drove from twenty to thirty miles i This smoky gaseous pillar was a long ways ofr'imtt"Yema'i'n'ea:J.ligh i in the air Warden HERRY said that this silver object was traveling at an exoassively high rate of speed and when it disintegrated it was atill a lon rO!:l the earth Warden HENRY said when he first sa.w it he thought it was probably a jet propelled plane but that he couldn't tell except that its mo tions were erratio Ho said ha had not reported it tmtil he had noticod so mu.ch in the papers about these discs Although thre people saw it they de cided tha.t they must be seeing things The Seattle Office is requested to advise Mr PETERSON 4th Air Foroe McChord Field Washington No further action is being ta.ken by the Butte Office due to the time elapsing between the sighting of this object an report WGB:LB cc Seattlo I [PAGE 187] i.l a WJn:J3S 1VNij3J.N Hd ss I [PAGE 188] OV.ER MENT TO I.ADD DATE October ----4':;if SU BJECT FLYING DISCS There are e.ttaohed hereto photogra phs of various reports rec eived hj the Air Corps in connect ion with the above- captioned matter -ni z-1•'-""-c,-•,ev -,1.1.a~J.a PAvnnlrlQ- the Liaison Section by Ueutenant Co lonel Garrett of the Intellig ence Divi sion the Air Force for comple tion of urea files REC O'~ZDATION It is reo O!lm9nded that this memorandUJU be mad avail a'b1e to Supervisor Fletch er of th Internal Security Section f'or his Ol'Jllati on [PAGE 189] [PAGE 190]